My comments on MTX ...for now

[TMD_MickyD]

I personally cant see how a games company could release a game with so many bugs. And i struggle to grasp how anyone could even begin to say this is better than MCM2. i have finished this game on ps2 in the hope of finding somthing more id like about the game, and the more i played it, the more anoyed i got.

Yeh real constructive criticism, i know. But i dont feel like writing a book on all the things i dont like about this game.

I do have a question though. Does this game use the physics engine from THUG, and weren't specifically designed to be used for an MX game?
Because that would explain alot.

[wizen2002]

I would suggest trying the PC version from what i read its better than the consoles version....I rented the game  call of duty for console last week it sucked so bad that i only played mabey 2 minutes and return the game right away...It was nothing like the pc version....

[VMX_krazyman821]

I played MTX practically all weekend,and last nite I played MCM2.
I have come to this conclusion,even though I love MTX....MCM2 is THE BETTER GAME HERE!!!!!!

[ATR_RaTaX2]

I played MTX practically all weekend,and last nite I played MCM2.
I have come to this conclusion,even though I love MTX....MCM2 is THE BETTER GAME HERE!!!!!!

well i agree, well i 1st got the game i thought it was better but after hours of gameplay im getting bored with it and started to miss playin mcm2, due to the different lines and the custom content which i believe that MTX could never compete with.

[VMX_krazyman821]

I couldn't agree more with you,Yes,MTX is worth the $20 and it is a really fun game,but the tracks are way too easy once you learn them.Its mostly learning when you need to pre-load or not.MCM2 tracks were better in design(custom ones that is)in that we as racers knew to put in rutted turns,choppy straights and so on.I have said it in a previous post and I will repeat it again,MCM2 is better due to the expandibility(Tracks,tricks,textures,objects,skins).We all got bored with the in game tracks MCM2 came with,without all us trackmakers over the years,the game would have died a long time ago.....which will be the case if MTX cant do the same in the future.Just imagine if we could make our own tex and track maps for this one.Only then would it have a chance of long term survival and a shot of dethroning MCM2. While I really enjoy MTX,MCM2 is my game of choice...so much that I started another new track last night in Photoshop.

[AMA_DirtTwister]

If only MCM 2 could have MTX's handlebar view and the ability to square off turns.  I sometimes think that we need to make our own MX game.

Bruce

[ElDiablo (Paul)]

That's going to be THE ONLY WAY that all of us will ever be happy with an MX title for the PC. The REAL TRUTH here though is that MTX is better than MCM2. Plain and simple...it just lacks the ability to add tracks and stuff (so far). But I think that it will change in time. But for now...it's stock tracks are better than MCM2's, turning is better, clutch actually DOES something usefull (other than starts), the graphics are better, the bike/rider physics are WAY BETTER, the career mode is superior to ANY mx games, the tricks are WAY better, the whip LOOKS more natural (IMHO),.... I could go on and on.

We've all been playing MCM2 so long now that I think some of us are hesitant, even resistant to accept any challenger to the proverbial THRONE. Well...MTX is not gonna dethrone MCM2...but it's still a better game. If it had the ability to add tracks, skins and objects/animations etc...then I very much doubt that MCM2 would be much more than a memory for MOST of us.

If you get BORED (to quote a few of you) with the stock tracks you might try racing on Gamespy and/or doing the ghost racing and going for a fast lap. Cause very soon we will have the ability to share ghosts and post lap times in a recorder-type environment (can't say more at this time). Say what you want...but you ALL know that MCM2 has taken a turn for the worse since the recorders left the scene. A LOT of people like to compete for the fastest lap on a given track. If there's only 16 (as in MTX) then that means a LOT of GOOD competition!

I doubt that my comments here are going to change too many people's minds about this game. But you guys put up with a LOT more excentricities (weird problems) in MCM2 and seem to have forgotten about them. Yet you seem unwilling to give MTX a fair shake. Need I remind you that you can jump whole sections in MCM2, or that you can mash the throttle (on most tracks) and go WFO through most if not all of the track (other than some SX's). You can't use the clutch in MCM2 for anything other than annoying people on the start line (or to get a boost when the game actually launches you), unless you use my animated start gate you don't have to time your starts...it just lets everyone go, every once in a while you get a wierd bounce in MCM2 and you're bike goes sideways and looks gay as hell and usually makes YOU mad as hell as it kills your lap time and maybe the race... I could go on and on...but you should have gotten the idea by now.

THE TRUTH HERE...is that no game will be absolutely perfect for everyone EVER. Even if we were to put together our own game...somebody would have something to complain about. With game makers like Left Field who made this game. There are time constraints and deadlines to meet...and a bunch of other factors to consider...plus the game wasn't their idea...it was Activisions...so they were pretty much hired guns. That type of environment can be volitile to say the least and several here should be more than familiar with what I'm saying.

The truth is...I'm burned out on MCM2...I don't think it's dead...but it is for me. It's finally uninstalled from my system and unless I have a HUGE change of heart...it probably isn't going back on my hard drive. It's a HUGELY resource, and HD space hungry program and it's bugs are so many that I don't think you can count them! lol Not trying to coerce anyone here into leaving MCM2...quite the contrary. But I'm also not going to tell myself how great it is...when it's just not anymore. The next generation of games has come along. Are you going to be like your grandparents in your aversion to new things? You know what I'm talking about guys...the people who say..."I'm not going to get one of those computers! It's a waste of time and money and I think if you were meant to be online you'd have been born with..." you get the idea anyhow. It's time to maybe not move on...but at least TRY the new thing and give it a FAIR chance. Remember that nothing is perfect and we are all passionate about motocross. This game is just plain FUN. It's not MCM2...but neither is MCM1 or the ATV Offroad or MXU games. It's just another one that we can all have fun playing online.

BY THE WAY...it's usually got around 15 people online right now. Once it catches on good there should be more opportunities to race than on the zone. Not to diss Lauries TD Zone at all...but in the past year...I don't think that I've seen more than 40 people on the zone at one time and never had I seen more than 5 people on TD'z Zone.

It's all up to you guys...I respect your opinions and your rights to choose what you like or don't like. Don't think that I'm saying anything negative if you don't like MTX...not everyone will. I just think that the people who read this that have not yet played the game deserve the right (as much as you guys who have tried it) to TRY it and form their own opinions. In my opinion...everyone should give it a fair shot.

That's my $5.00 (well hell...it was surely a LOT more than 2 cents! lol)

[Mglmstr]

Wow, interesting post VMX_ElDiablo. 

You've analized this way more than me.  I agree with just about everything you have to say.  Bottom line.  Everyone has an opinion.  I'm just glad to see some of the MCM crowd enjoying the game and it not being a total bash fest.  I personally think MTX has it's problems that nobody has spoken about that could've and should've been better in the final product.  What those are, I'll never say.  :-)   

I'm somewhat biased, but I think I have a level head saying MTX isn't crap.  Yes, it could've been better, but like you pointed out, it's not just Left Field making decisions on the game.  Everything must be approved by the publisher.  In the end I'm happy with what we produced.  We have some things that are better than MCM MXU, and we have some things that are worse than MCM, MXU. 

I also think Aspyr did an excellent job porting this to the PC.  I haven't seen the issues people are talking about on my PC.

[VMX_krazyman821]

Good post Paul.You made alot of valid points there.Just so you know,I am not bashing MTX at all,I happen to love the game and cannot stop playing it.I also love MCM2.And the bugs you pointed out in MCM2 are all things I ahve pointed out in previous posts.I love both games.MCM2 does have an edge,but MTX is better in more ways as well.Like a double egde sword here,huh?
I will continue to make tracks for MCM2 because I still enjoy it.It will alwyas be on my HD.I have been on Gamespy for the past couple of nights and have had some good races with people.That was fun.I do wish Startgate would have fared much better than it has and it boggles my mind that with all the people on these forums that play MCM2,only a handful(if that)ever showed up to race.In all honesty,the only guys I have ever raced with or have seen in SG were myself,Alex(sky)Mike(kxmoto45),Adam(Burn),Motox(Simon)and Laurie on occasion.I have never caught up with anyone else on it.Its a shame too,because that was alot of fun.So maybe we can all get together on Gamespy and race MTX.For those who see me in there,I'm not under Kxkrazyman,Im under my real name...Noel...in case some of you dont know.Number is 821.
In short...BOTH games have their good and bad points and I will not choose sides.I love them both.If MTX becomes expandable,then I will feel that will give the edge over MCM2.
For those who do not have MTX and have been reading these posts,do not let us deter you.This game is well worth having and is a helluva lot of fun.So get it!!!!!

[AMA_King]

Yo' kids!  Remember me?  I've been around MCM for a few years now...
Some of you may have tried a few of my old tracks.
Maybe you've seen an AMA team member on the ZONE.
Possibly you tried on our red, white and blue riding gear...
Butt... maybe not...  Anyhoo....

Remember MCM 1?  Sheesh... give MTX - 1 - a break! 
Why not install MCM 1 again and then take a minute to imagine what MTX - 2 - will be like!

OK, if a picture is worth a thousand words... what's this tell you?



This ain't nuthin' compared to the stuff that I gave my kids, to my friends or even the PC racing games that I have!  Shoot, I never keep the boxes for those!  so, do you get it?  I am a racing (and FPS) junkie... I also have PC versions of GTA: Vice City, Midnight Club 2, MotoGP 2, every Need for Speed version, and a demo of almost every racing related game ever made! 

Soooo.... All I am saying is - buy it, try it, give it a chance...
I love it.... AND - I love MCM 2 too! 

Is it wrong to have multiple lovers?   Uh... loves? 
Well, whatever - my point is - everyone has a point - or a preference....
I do NOT like MXU very much and some people think it's the best MX game EVER!
I'm buying ATV Fury 3 NEXT, but I think I will be playing MTX and FAR CRY the most over the next year!

[ElDiablo (Paul)]

I have HEARD that ATV Offroad Fury 3 is horrible but I have not seen (or played) it yet myself. Looks like your missing a few games there though King! lol Where's MX Rider for the PS2? IMHO that is one of the best MX games for console.

I have to agree about MXU though. I played it and was SO SO excited about getting it. In fact, I pre-ordered it weeks in advance and was in the EB Games store when the UPS guy brought it in. I got the first copy out of that store and ran (almost literally...well hell I'm 41! lol) home to play it. I liked a lot of things about it. It FELT a lot like the ATV games on the console and of course it reminded me of MCM2 because of the obvious reasons. I really loved the look of the bike/rider and the physics were pretty damn good IMHO...BUT, beyond there I think Rainbow Studios (and the publisher) just outright dropped the ball!

The machine races are just GAY...the freeride (or whatever the hell it was called) was even worse. They spent all this time putting that CRAP into the game and put MULTIPLAY and editing on the shelf. Between the two games (MTX and MXU) in my opinion there is NO CONTEST. MTX beats it hands down. The only thing in fact that MXU has going for it (other than the fact that it was made by the same people who made MCM2) is that they had some totally AMAZING environmental and lighting effects, and the veggies were extremely well done. Other than that...it's ATV2 with dirt bikes.

[TMD_MickyD]

That's going to be THE ONLY WAY that all of us will ever be happy with an MX title for the PC. The REAL TRUTH here though is that MTX is better than MCM2. Plain and simple...it just lacks the ability to add tracks and stuff (so far).

Its betta cos Pual sed so 

Making physics for an mx game must be a coding nightmare, but it would still be really cool to see the TD crew give it a shot. And, of course you wouldn't have to worry about the objects, tracks, skinning ect, as theres plenty of talented people in the mcm community that would be more than willing to lend a hand.

[51]

That's going to be THE ONLY WAY that all of us will ever be happy with an MX title for the PC. The REAL TRUTH here though is that MTX is better than MCM2. Plain and simple...

I find those two comments to be false. What if one day a company comes out with an all around insane realistic true to scale etc etc mx game? ohh no way...that will never happen right... And maybe MTX is the best ever for you but I wouldnt go as far as to say that's the REAL TRUTH plain and simple...for everyone if you know what I mean. Yes I did have some fun races today on GSA and some of the game appeals to me. But unless the developers really want to fix major issues and release PATCHES and ways to edit and insert our own models/tracks, I think this game gets stagnant real fast...for me at least. As far as coding goes, my main complaints are things like crashing on landings when you land just a bit on the back wheel and braking into turns occasionally causes you to do a nose wheelie and straighten out, therefore eating *#*#*. You dont crash casing the holy hell out of a jump yet if you land on the back wheel a bit you do this really ugly awkward looking crash (not every time of course but enough to be annoying). Also, the tracks lack variety and obstacles IMO. Yes there are alternate lines on some of the SX tracks but there needs to be more. More DIFFERENT jump sections, better whoops, etc. Different dirt types...terrains. No matter what type of track...your bike always reacts the same. And the looping of CAMERON STEELE is gonna be the death of me. The bike sounds are grossly off point as well. 9 laps max?! No in game chat. The only way to change tracks online is to disconnect?! Collision in this game so far for me has been HORRIBLE. I barely run up on a guy and try to hug the corner with him, me on the outside him on the inside...we touch, and i get punted like nothing I've ever seen. It's worse when you directly run into the back of someone...you get punted backwards like 3 bike lengths, instead of what would really happen (you punt him, you both go down, you go over the bars, or you move him forward, not you backward). It would be nice to have bike adjustments...like other racing games where you can adjust each facet of the vehicle and it actually changes performance, but this is not completely necesarry at this point. I probably could think of more but I think enough of these things hurt the playability already. BUT I think they all also could be addressed and potentially fixed with PATCHES...so who knows. I just highly doubt that will happen.

On the other hand I do think the texturing engine of the whole game is obviously superior on models and resolution ON TRACK. All the gear options are a plus. The start sequence is killer. Holeshots are finally important. The racing seems to be closer and more intense...more based on if you can ride a smooth race and make the minimal amount of mistakes rather than preloading a section in two or whatever. You can be black and white so the racial issue was resolved...lol. The rider looks decent on the bike...the bike just seems not to work like...well a bike. I'll keep it installed for now.

Oh and IMO MCM2's stock tracks have WAY more variety, lines, and depth than the MTX tracks. MTX bike physics aren't that great...especially in the air. I know you feel really passionate about all this and express it in your posts so I hope you don't take my reply wrong. I agree with you about everyone needing to try it and all that jazz. Maybe I dwell on negative and that's why I talk about flaws of the game, I dunno. Just my opinions I guess.

[VMX_krazyman821]

51,you as well as Paul and even myself make valid points.We are all entitled to our opinions.I agree with everything you say also.I guess lots of us felt that this would be THE  mx game due all the hype of it's relelase.Lets just say it's a good game with some flaws that will hopefully get ironed out with patches in the future?

[VRT_FLYER]

Look  at  this and  think  were  we would  be  if  we  didnt have different  opinions .  http://takegame.ru/sporting/gam/excitebike.zip       I think   MTX is  a  great  start  to a new begining who knows  whats gona  happen   look at  mcm2   at   start  and  now . Fun is what we  make  it.   I  enjoyed  the  demo  of MTX . I found it  to  be  a positive  change . Just  hope  it  is  gonna get  better support than microsoft gave mcm .

[cR]

Hmmm I put my faith in TD...

One thing that has been on my mind for a while now, in the \MTX\Game\data\levels is a dir called BuddsCreek haven't seen that ingame and I finished all career races 1st place... where is it?

[Mglmstr]

 Budds Creek, Washougal, Broome....

OK, I'll answer this one.  When we first started we went with real race tracks.  I absolutly hated the idea because you can't make real race tracks fun for a game.  Well, you can... It's just a hell of a lot harder.  And by the time your done with it, it plays and looks nothing like the original.  With that said.  I believe Budds Creek trasfered to Paradise Valley in the game, (BTW, this track ribbon follows Budds Creek pretty closely.)  Washougal transfered to Devils Gate and Broome Transfered to either Boggs Town or the level that ships with the demo.  I think it's the level that shiped with the demo.  Man, for the life of me I can't remember the name and I'm the one who made it and I don't feel like starting it up right now.  hehe  BTW, I did not make Budds or Washougal.  (Paradise Valley and Devils Gate)  I made 60-70% of the levels in the game though.

Hopefully that answers the question of Budds, Washougal, Broome....   

[VMX_krazyman821]

It does for me,I was going nuts trying to finf those damn maps in game!!!

[AMA_DirtTwister]

I got my copy of MTX today.  I'm assuming it plays just like the console.  The demo seemed to.  I need to practice up and then hook up for some online racing.

Bruce

[Oxy]

sounds good