Rainbow Studios Track Contest

[Riesenberg448]

Hey guys,

I wanted to put a link up here to a MVA contest being put on by a few of us at Rainbow.  We have some good prizes lined up and are hoping to get some of the old vets to come out and show some of the young guns how to make some innovative tracks for this contest.

Rules and info are at the link below.  An XBOX 360 and a copy of MX vs. ATV Untamed are on the line, as well as prizes to the rest of the top 5.

http://www.motocrossgamingforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2738&view=findpost&p=31800

[mcm2boys]

Thanks for letting us know, things have been pretty quiet around here recently maybe this will generate a bit more activity..

It's good to see you guys supporting the community, I notice Mike [MX45] made the first post and he talks about this being put up by a few of the employees at Rainbow. So thanks to you guys for remembering your roots and fighting for the community from the inside.. 

Laurie

[Riesenberg448]

Hopefully a bit more activity and hopefully the revival of some McM2 legends.  Even if only for one track, it'd be great to see what they can throw out there for MvA.

[Fixer]

Not trying to take the wind out of anyones sails but after the let down that was and is MVA I really don't see the point of using that game to make tracks to promote a contest for another game that isn't even going to be on the PC?

Am I missing something here? Huh

[Bulldog]

I'm with Bob on this.  It doesn't look like you will ever be making another PC MX game (without it being another bad port).  So why should all of us PC gamers who have been so loyal to Rainbow for so many years continue to support your games?

If you were releasing a PC MX game it would be a different story, but you're not!  And I won't be wasting money on another crappy port.

[Crashnburn11]

personally, i would make a track for this, but they only made MVA to work on certain computers, and since it only works on my home PC, and not my laptop, i wont ever have time to finish.  That only mingles with the fact the i only play MCM2 anymore.

[Riesenberg448]

Sorry you guys feel this way.  We try our best to really be there for our core community, and I'm talking the McM2 guys and a few of the MVA guys who get it.  This contest was something that Mike (MX45) and I came up with as a way to try and re-energize the MVA community, and get people to really push the limits.

Here is a quote from Elliott (RBW_Triton) who deals with a lot more of the "higher up" stuff than I do..

"As for support for the PC version, honestly you shouldn't be complaining to us, it wasn't our game. Beenox did that version. I wish I could do more then the few fixes I did do but I only have so much time.

Bottom line and I've said this before on Kam's forums, like it or not you are in a super minority. We don't like it and you don't like it. Consoles are what publishers target 1st. It sucks I know but PC doesn't pay the bills. The best thing you guys can do is keep giving feedback, we read them, the good and the bad. I have no problem reading stuff you guys don't like but the moment a thread turns into a slam I won't read it. I don't have time to sift through that kind of stuff. We take things from time to time that are possible or consider what you guys would like. The new whip/scrub stuff is definately not for the general public for example, I put it in there for you guys."

Glad to see you guys still around,
Keep it real, and thanks for the many years of support.
Checkerz

[mcm2boys]

Say Checkerz are you a coder, or are the scrubs done using animations? I'm always curious when i see anything that might be code related.. 

[ToaDsiX]

Wow,

Fixer and Bulldog, that was really harsh. I DO understand where you guys are coming from, and I am SURE there are many more that feel the same way. I sometimes feel the same way however there is that tiny bit of hope deep down inside that keeps me from throwing the towel in.
MVA might have not met everyones expectations. I don't think it was that bad of a let down, It can only get better from here, right. Lets hope.

For me seeing actual people from rainbow studios here and over a motocross gaming forums gives me that little bit of hope I have. They are here looking around, thats gotta be good for something. Maybe they will release it to pc after sales mellow out form the console version. Makes sense to me, after all they are trying to resurrect the code. The company that releases it for pc will be the most important. Beenox dropped the ball big time here. I don't want to drag this out. Lets try to be positive.

Rainbow, please give us a good motocross PC game!!

I think the track idea is a great idea, perhaps it will give others more hope for future(hint hint) projects.

Brody

[VRT_RIDEBLUE]

Don't get me wrong here guys, I am dying for a NEW PC MX Game, but I am not that upset about the console thing, maybe we can have content on xbox live where guys can create tracks from there PC,transfer via usb flash drive to XBOX 360, then share on XBOX live??  I would think it would be possible,.....

[Fixer]

Sorry if I seemed a little harsh....

Here's my take:
I keep hearing how the PC market is not worth making a game for but....

There are first rate companies making games and including the PC in their lineup - consoles and PC's!

The thing that limits the sale's of a PC game is it's overall quality.

On any given night I can choose between 5-6000 servers for COD2 and although they aren't all full-(1 particular PC game)...I have no trouble finding a game anytime of day or night there are tons of people playing PC games online.

Infinity Ward thinks it's worth investing in PC games and I bet they make a huge profit on it because their game is so good (COD4) and word of mouth will sell even more.

I personally plan on buying 3 copies myself- that's 1 household...

A high % people have a PC but don't necessarily want to buy a console just to play a game they might take an interest in. 

In other words if you don't build it - -yes no one will come.

Let's consider what would have happen if MVA turned out to be the MCM3-8-? most everybody wanted.

Of the 1/2 the people that tried MVA and left it the first month - they would have stayed around and by word of mouth and by trying the game the community would build like it did in MCM before.

People would be playing it, the fan sites would pop up and online gaming would snowball the game into a success.  That what I think could happen....

[Bulldog]

I agree completely with Bob.  There are games that have survived many generations like Half Life, Unreal Tournament and Quake and also a few Blizzard games (before their pay to play WOW) out there for the PC that are still alive and doing well.  And I'm pretty sure they make money on all of them.

And as far as I'm concerned I will never pay for Xbox live either.  I'm not going to pay a subscription to anyone just to be able to connect with other people to play games on-line.  That is something I have done for free for many years and I'm not going to start paying for it.

Yeah, maybe I'm being a little harsh but the truth hurts.  This community played a big part in Rainbow's growth.  And once THQ bought them they basically blew us off for the cash cow console market where all the kids get mom and dad and grandma and grandpa to buy them the latest generation of every game. Then they play it for two months before it gets put on a shelf.  Which is by design because they will put out the next version in a year or so and collect another $50 per copy.  Obviously that is the way to make the most money.  But if it's ONLY about money to them then I don't want to play their games anyhow because they will be inferior to other peoples games.

[Riesenberg448]

First off, I should mention these are my opinions, and do not necessarily represent Rainbow.

You all have good points, and personally I am right there with you guys.  I would love to see another good MX game for the PC.  If Rainbow chooses to do it; that's not so much up to myself, I just work there.  I would love to have seen MVA have the community and longevity of mcm2.  There is a lot of good mods already working for MVA, and I think this track contest can potentially boost out some really good work.

As far as Untamed; yes it's coming out as a console game, but it has a lot of time put in to eliminate the biggest issues from MVA which were mainly talked about within the core community.  I browse the forums daily and read anything and everything about "what would make the perfect mx game", I try to present these things throughout the studio.  Some things get done, some don't.  Some can't be done, some are scratched for other more important things.

It's nice to see you guys still around, and it's also nice to have a grown up conversation without name calling and drama... reminds me of why MCM2 was (well still is, I still run laps occasionaly) so awesome... 

Keep voicing your opinions, they are atleast being considered.

[Riesenberg448]

I thought this might interest you guys also...

http://www.motocrossgamingforums.com/index.php?showtopic=2805

[Fixer]

Thanks for the link.

Again I don't want to make anybody mad but the first thing I read was not to diz MXvsATV because Beenox ported it...

As long as Rainbow and THQ have their name on the package then they to are responsible for the content I just don't get how companies can say it's not are fault when their name is plastered on the cover and is used to help sell it.

At any rate good luck with the game, I'll never see it- playing games on consoles just isn't my thing....

[MDx_Wayne]

Ditto that Fix, it just won't happen at my house either.

[Bulldog]

Once again, I agree with Bob.  Rainbow saying that it is Beenox's game is rediculous.  Rainbow wrote the game all Beenox did was port it for the PC.  The shortcomings of MX vs. ATV were not becuase of the port they were because the game was not written for the PC to begin with.  When I said it was a bad port I was not complaining about Beenox's port of the game.  I was saying it was a bad port because it just doesn't work well on the PC.  The interface and the way multi-player works on the PC just plain stinks.  But that's because it wasn't written for the PC not because Beenox screwed it up.  So to say that Beenox dropped the ball on it and should fix what is missing or needs to be changed is not fair to Beenox.

Also like Bob I wish you success with your game.  I just wish you were writing it for the PC as well as the consoles.

[ElDiablo (Paul)]

I sincerely hope that Rainbow's new game does well. In fact I may wind up buying a console to play it...but that decision will come after I've heard from people I trust about gameplay, multiplayer, and performance issues. It looks AWESOME though!

Having said that...I too find it way too convenient that Triton is blaming Beenox for MVA's short-comings (I do agree that the thread where he posted that though is not the place for talk of this sort and think that this is what he was trying to say). Surely they can't blame Beenox for the fact that the editor shipped with 2 tree types, or the fact that there is a 30fps cap, or the fact that the multiplayer (gamespy) interface was simply aweful, or the fact that you had to click something like a dozen times to get from one race to the next ("save profile? are you sure? profile saved"... gimme a break)...

In fact I don't think that they could actually blame Beenox for any of the major complaints of the MCM community about MVA.

I'm not trying to knock Rainbow here and I would call most of the people from the MCM community that work there 'friends' (or at least friendly aquaintances). But I think it's irrational and irresponsible to blame Beenox if that's what Triton was REALLY trying to do. I'm seriously hoping that he just meant that the thread wasn't the place to do those things.

[BombX3]

Change it to MCM2 track contest

[Riesenberg448]

  Surprised it took THAT long to get that response!  We still like you hardcore mcm2 guys too, but we were hoping to pull you to the dark side (MVA) for atleast one track.