is it just me or did the windows xp service pack 2 do wonders for the performance of mcm2 on your computer too?
I really, don't know, sp2 makes my computer crash for some reason, it says it has a missing file and can't load windows.
Yeah, I was told not to install it. They have had major problems with it.
realy its on this computer and it runs sweet i love it got the firwall and its got the pop up blocker i realy think its sweet!
I only do the security updates. everything else screws stuff up. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
XP SP2 is a HUGE security update. Unfortinately I haven't had any time to test it on our computers at work yet so we have not rolled it out yet.
Pete
It has worked on more people's computers than the one's it has messed up on, guess we need to wait for a more reliable release.
I've done my computers. No problems so far. I have not allowed Auto-Update to run.
Bruce
SP2's main focus on security updates is outlook and IE... and since I don't care about those I don't care about SP2....
Then of course I have other reasons to never install and windows updates. But anyone with a reasonable mind doesn't spend hours on downloading crap to the computer that can get programs and tools to run funky/bad or not at all.
SP2 is just a lame excuse to fix lots of holes in the web tools mentioned above just because smart people slowly leave them to rust in a corner.
^>***IMHO***<^
I know that there is other things it does but I really don't care. If I will have to pay a price for that then I'll suck that up but I haven't needed it yet so I'll just learn the hard way then I gues. IF I now will have to "learn" at all that is.
:)
Quote from: mxmatthew on September 08, 2004, 01:55:33 AM
is it just me or did the windows xp service pack 2 do wonders for the performance of mcm2 on your computer too?
Increased MCM 2 performance ey?, Im getting SP2 ;)
Basically with SP2 out now I won't help anyone anymore with adware/spyware unless they are moving to XP SP2. I have wasted too much of my life helping others get their computer back just to have them get right back in the same situtation. For me a minimum requirement is to have XP SP2.
Bruce
Quote from: AMA_DirtTwister on September 09, 2004, 07:12:03 AM
Basically with SP2 out now I won't help anyone anymore with adware/spyware unless they are moving to XP SP2. I have wasted too much of my life helping others get their computer back just to have them get right back in the same situtation. For me a minimum requirement is to have XP SP2.
Bruce
OR to not use IE as most of us don't anymore :D ^_^
hmm I really should stop my anti IE plugging while I'm ahead... :P soon to many will be anoyed by me. It is just true tough. :-*
And if you do continue to use IE, ad-aware 6 and spybot search and destroy are a must.
I use IE and I do not use adaware or any spy tools on my computer. I just do not have those kinds of problems. I also don't use Anti-virus (although I do scan a couple of times a year to make sure that I'm clean).
Why would I ever want to use anything but IE. Every alternative to IE that I've tried causes me more problems than IE does. I like my web pages to work with full functionality.
I refuse to waste my computer resources on the possibility that I might be bitten by some malicious software. I choose to just be more selective on whom I let use my computer and what is done on it.
Bruce
Quote from: AMA_DirtTwister on September 09, 2004, 11:10:49 AM
I use IE
Didn't belive I'd ever see a post containing that without a post from simon afterwards... :)
Just messing ;)
lol sorry fredde but here it comes :P
I know I promised myself and others that it was my last comment about this above but I'll take the risk here...
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
Plenty of people can back it up around these forums.. :)
don't kill me tough, this was the last one... promise! :)
I played with Firefox and could see no benefit to using it over IE. Let's hear what benefits I would have if I used Firefox.
Bruce
Quote from: mxmatthew on September 08, 2004, 01:55:33 AM
is it just me or did the windows xp service pack 2 do wonders for the performance of mcm2 on your computer too?
i noticed the same with mcm2 but with the pop up blocker and stuff its great. i havnt noticed any errors or screw up with sp2 though :)
Quote from: AMA_DirtTwister on September 09, 2004, 03:03:33 PM
I played with Firefox and could see no benefit to using it over IE. Let's hear what benefits I would have if I used Firefox.
Bruce
First of all, Firefox blocks every pop-up. IT no longer gives you spyware or adware on your computer like IE does. They release so many patches for ie because the have quite a few security holes.
If you want to start nit-picking, I believe that Firefox also loads faster than ie, but then again that depends on the computer you have.
You say you don't ever scan for adware or spyware Bruce? Here are links to those programs and they are completely free. All of that adware and spyware you might have on your computer could seriously chug down the performance of things, and I'm no genius with this stuff.
Ad-Aware
http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE-Personal-Edition/3000-8022-10308605.html?tag=lst-0-1
Spybot Search and destroy
http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022-10289035.html?tag=lst-0-1
I hope that helps you out, I recommend trying those programs and seeing how well your performance is afterwards.
QuoteFirst of all, Firefox blocks every pop-up. IT no longer gives you spyware or adware on your computer like IE does. They release so many patches for ie because the have quite a few security holes.
If you want to start nit-picking, I believe that Firefox also loads faster than ie, but then again that depends on the computer you have.
I use the Google Toolbar in IE and it blocks all the popups that I ever get. I do not get adware or spyware on my computer. They release so many patches for windows because of the incredible amount of functionality that it contains and the fact the people like to exploit it. Internet Explorer is really a very small program that does not have very much functionality.
My tests between Firefox and IE on my PC did not show a speed increase while using Firefox, unless it was a page that Firefox couldn't fully render because of missing functionality. IExplore.exe is only 89k. It is a wrapper that uses the API's built into Windows to present what you see as a browser, when the reality is that stuff is part of windows. When you program for Windows a good chunk of the GUI API's is contained in the Internet section of the documentation. This is a benefit and problem because of the exploitation that is done. I prefer to have the additional functionality along with the slightly increased risk that goes with using a popular and tremendously functional operating system. I am not a Microsoft lover. In fact I've always hated MS, but the reality is I am far more productive using and programming Windows then any other OS.
QuoteYou say you don't ever scan for adware or spyware Bruce?
I didn't say that I never scan. What I meant to say was that I do not have them installed. I do not keep installed any kind of adware removal or antivirus software on my computer. I do not need them, I do not have a problem with them. I did say that I do an antivirus scan on my computer twice a year to insure that it's clean. At the time I install what I need and then remove it when I'm done. When I do scan I do not find anything on my computer.
I have fixed many computers that have spyware/adware/virus problems. I have Norton's Anti-Virus software and I have on my USB thumb drive, which I carry around with me all the time, several adware/spyware removal tools (adaware, HiJaak This, etc.). I just personally don't need them. You receive them by installing programs that have them piggy backed on them, agreeing to their installation during the install of a program, or by promiscuous clicking while surfing the net (and having your browser configured in a way that allows them to run and install themselves).
Bruce
Well it looks like you're all set then and your Internet Explorer is every bit the same as Firefox now.
Just trying to provide some help you didn't need, lol.
Aaron
QuoteYou say you don't ever scan for adware or spyware Bruce?
an antivirus scan on my computer twice a year to insure that it's clean. At the time I install what I need and then remove it when I'm done. When I do scan I do not find anything on my computer.
Bruce
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scan for virusus twice a year? holy crap i do it once or twice a week LMAO
My cousin does it every night.
From what Bruce says though, he doesn't need to do it anymore than that.
What is this SP2 thing? Is it a windows update from Microsoft via their auto-update or is it an independent thing? Never heard of it. XP hasn't dowloaded any windows updates in awhile for some reason. Maybe I just accidentaly disabled it.
Have you tried v9.0 of Firefox Bruce? I switched over and havn't found any problems. My take on it is that it is very secure. I used to use IE and I didn't have to many problems but it was still kinda scetchy. Sometimes it would attract spyware no matter what but Adware took care of that. IE's home page could be easily hijacked, to. It just seemed like a messy program. So far Firefox is doing a good job. It was a little bit of a pain to set up but once I got it set up theres where no hassles. There are a few things that are kinda weird like when it's loading a page sometimes you can't click a link until its done loading. But that only happens once in awhile. It can integrate stuff really easily. It integrated DAP(download accelerator) with a few clicks. It has some neat right-click options like the 'Download with' option . I havn't had any of those 'would you like to send a problem report to microsoft' problems yet either. Each man his own though.
Those "would you like to send a problem report" dialogs occur when a program that you are running abends. If your system is setup properly those should be rare. I would expect to get them after making a change. Once my system is settled down I do not expect to get them.
Adware and Spyware do not just easily install themselves. You are letting them be installed. IE allows you to set the options so that ActiveX controls and scripts can install themselves without you being notified. Those options should be set to alert you to when it's happening. BHO's (Browser Helper Objects) have been exploited and have caused many people problems. They are in fact very useful, but if you allow anything to just install itself as one then you have opened yourself up to severe problems.
Yes I've tried 0.9 of Firefox. Firefox's safety is because of it's lack of functionality. If it implemented the same functionality as IE it would have the same problems.
Bruce
I will consider you a lost soul...heh :P ;)
I can say this much tough. IE is the browser that holds back the web, IE is the browser with lack of support for all known web standards. I can name 1000nds of things that IE can't handle witch every other browser based on the gecko engine CAN handle. The reason why some sites not work in other then IE is because of bad coding and people being ignorant thinking that IE is the true browser. If you look at any site that's well coded you would know.
If you want me too I can explain every in and out of why you should use ANY alternate browser (opera, mozilla, mozilla firefox..) instead of IE but only if you want me to because then I can smell a 2 page long post witch I don't want to write without having someone to read it at all.
Nah I don't think IE's THAT bad lol. Bruce how do you find out the problem of those 'send error reports'? My system always runs like a champ except for those every once in awhile. I used IE for years with very few hic ups. Bruce is right though about the spyware. It mainly installs in programs and stuff if you let it. I never never never click those pop ups asking if you want to install software. The only real thing I could think of about IE that pissed me off REALLY bad was the hijacked home pages! I don't know where the hell I got that *#*#* from but it was annoying as hell! I had to install a anti-page hijacker! Even that didn't stop it. Every time I opened up IE I got the MSN home page. Don't think Adaware or Spybot got those. Once I got rid of that I was bittin' by another one that sent me to some search page with a blank URL. That thing pissed me off so bad. Anyways enough ranting lol. So far Firefox has no hic uped.
Quote from: MotoX395 on September 10, 2004, 01:40:26 AM
I can say this much tough. IE is the browser that holds back the web, IE is the browser with lack of support for all known web standards. I can name 1000nds of things that IE can't handle witch every other browser based on the gecko engine CAN handle.
That's a pretty strong statement. I feel the opposite is true. Microsoft (as much as I don't like this) is really establishing and leading the way as far as standards go. The most pure and perfect standard is irrelevant if the vast majority of people are using a different one. Standards promoted by IE haters are meaningless to me. WASP is well intentioned but I feel is made up of IE haters. I don't love IE and I don't love Windows, but I don't let my dislikes lead me to shoot myself in the foot and try to live with Linux and stuff like Firefox.
I think it's great that other browsers are getting better. It will make my Linux browsing a better experience. I use Linux, I have a box in my house, but it will never become my desktop.
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As far as determining what's going on when programs abend, that is almost impossible to answer. When I have programs abend I try to classify them. For example, "Is it repeatable?", "Did I just make a change?", "Have I been playing games?", "Has it been a long time since I rebooted?", "What are my current resources (memory, diskspace, etc.). Stuff like that. If I just made a change (installed new software or hardware) does the error relate to the change. If it has, I will try to determine if the abending program/dll is a driver or part of the application. If it's a driver I'll make sure I have the latest one and I will contact the vendor. If it's an application I will contact the vendor about their application.
Sometimes you are just on your own to figure out your problem. To help determine where the problem is I typically use some programs that you can get from http://www.sysinternals.com. The most common ones that I use are filemon, regmon, process explorer, TCPView, and TDImon.
Bruce
The biggest issue here is quite simply that IE is the more popular browser to the masses not your computer tech or an average home user im talking the run of the mill joe who uses the pc here and there to send a few emails etc...
Now as IE is made by MS it gets attacked all the dang time because like anything in the real world the most widey used item or most well know item or person is always one persons fave thing or the most hated object in the world...
I myself have tried firefox and its a great proggie no question about it.. and it does have a huge userbase, but in comparison to the user base who uses IE ... well there isnt really any contest there is there?
Ppl will always knock ms products and say they can do better etc etc,, im sure they can,, but when there product becomes as succseful as a MS product then u will begin to see the leaks and the attacks on said program..
just remember its what you like best for your own personal usage that suits you best,,,
some guys like fat chicks some like thin :) make sence
Westy