Bruce,
I was just wondering what kind of stuff you have in mind to do with the new editor and the game. Is there any way to rid all the extra load screens like the "are you sure you want to race this track?" screen. I figure its not possible on that but what about the editor can you guy's get us some new Eco systems like a desert look and the forest look. I'm don't see a way of resizing those Giant Redwoods unless I'm over looking it. Let us know and don't keep all the secrets to yourselves. Inquiring minds want to know. I'm working on a desert track so if you have something come up let me know it need some Cactus trees and sage brushes. ;)
Mike
And I'm curious if you've attempted custom objects.
I know some of those answers Mike, but I'll save it for Bruce or someone else to answer.
Hey Mike(mach) I believe Laurie is working on a DilloToo for MVA which will allow us to use the MCM2 and MXU vegitation (or is it just MXU?)
So that is very good news!
Laurie is more qualified to answer the question about his revised Dillo Too for MVA.
Custom objects will require the ability to create a proper DXT and DXG file.
Trees should be possible. The stock nationals have an ESB file. As long as there isn't anything in the game that would stop it from working, we should be able to add those things.
I've been playing with adding activities. I got SuperMoto to show up in the game but the AI were only riding in a tight circle.
It will be a time consuming process to figure out what we can do and what we can't. We have a lot of testing to do to figure stuff out.
Bruce
Sounds good. I just started to have mine crash on me now on this track I'm playing with. It will only crash when I try to export it or test but it loads ok.
Mike
Oh God memories of the old dillo are coming back!!! :)
Take your time guys, we were patient to have a new game... we can wait some more weeks :)
Lots of things with the new editor should be possible as long as Rainbow haven't done anything 'special' to the code they use to load User made tracks. Like Bruce said EcoSystems will be possible and if so then we should be able to use EcoSystems from MCM2/MXU and MvA eventually. I hope we will be able to unlock a lot of the features from the stock tracks that are not currently supported by the Rainbow editor. From what i've seen so far we should be able to pretty much carry on from what we had in MCM2 along with a few more features which MvA brings us.
Laurie
how about this 30 max FPS thing i've been hearing about? any idea's on how to crack or eliminate it?
Quote from: DirtTwister on January 22, 2006, 11:46:08 PM
Laurie is more qualified to answer the question about his revised Dillo Too for MVA.
Custom objects will require the ability to create a proper DXT and DXG file.
Trees should be possible. The stock nationals have an ESB file. As long as there isn't anything in the game that would stop it from working, we should be able to add those things.
I've been playing with adding activities. I got SuperMoto to show up in the game but the AI were only riding in a tight circle.
It will be a time consuming process to figure out what we can do and what we can't. We have a lot of testing to do to figure stuff out.
Bruce
Do you think it would ever be possible to create 2 different kinds of traction, 1 for asphault and 1 for dirt?
Quote from: LosCyco on January 24, 2006, 04:57:20 AMDo you think it would ever be possible to create 2 different kinds of traction, 1 for asphault and 1 for dirt?
That's what I want also.
Bruce
Quote from: VMX_Slowpoke2 on January 24, 2006, 04:29:15 AM
how about this 30 max FPS thing i've been hearing about? any idea's on how to crack or eliminate it?
This really isn't something you want to do. With how integrated our physics are now, you wouldn't get the results that you would want by going over. This also keeps people on a level playing field.
So if I have a computer thats capable of playing Quake 4 at 1600x1200 with everything on and getting over 60fps I won't get more than 30fps with this game?
What about guys that have 2- Nvidia 7800's in SLI?
30FPS makes me seasick after a while and it's really not "as good as it gets"
I'm all for a level playing field but I'm not getting a very good return on my hardware investment w/30 fps.
How about setting's for 30,40,50 & 60?
Apparently theres a patch on the way, hopefully you'll get what you want....
Looney, NO!
Did you not read what faktor said? He said there was a 30 fps lock because online play would be crazy unfair, and I agree. It's not like we are getting a 5 fps lock here people. It pisses me off that people complain so much about little things when we've been begging for something like this for the past few years.
Quote from: VMX_D-Dub on January 25, 2006, 01:34:35 AM
It pisses me off that people complain so much about little things when we've been begging for something like this for the past few years.
finly someone has said it. thank you danny.
Quote from: VMX_D-Dub on January 25, 2006, 01:34:35 AM
It pisses me off that people complain so much about little things when we've been begging for something like this for the past few years.
Dude, pointing out what a lot of people see as a flaw isn't moaning and whining, if you can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps then you aren't affected, the truth is people are different and 30fps is the bare amount needed to make a video watchable. I can't tell much difference when the frame rate gets up into the 50-60 range but as it is- going fast around corners with the camera sweeping a large amount of ground there are not enough frames to cover the action and what I see is stuttering in the game. That's why some companies shoot for 60fps it just looks smoother to everybody.
I've been waiting for 6 years for something new, but I can't even buy this game in a store around here, I'm still waiting for the second order I made for this game. I'm very happy for you that you are so pleased but if opinions aren't shared then the developers won't know what people think. I'm not alone in my opinion about the frame rates.
I'm still glad that the game came out for the PC, I've got all the console versions but again the quality of the visuals have kept me from enjoying them, I can only play for so long before it just gets to me. I could play MCM2 for hours as long as I was getting at least 40 fps---- 60+fps and I was in heaven.
Online play has already been compromised by cheaters in case you haven't noticed. One thing all the online racers don't realize is a lot of people that buy this game didn't buy it to race online, why should they have to accept frame rates reduced to the bare minimum. A lot of us have the hardware and don't like to see it bottlenecked by the game we are playing. If we were really worried about making racing online fair then there are alot more important issues to consider other than the frame rates.
With that kind a of reasoning then why not set the frames @ 10fps then everyone with a computer built in the last 15 years could play? I feel sorry for people that only get 20-30 fps in a game because that isn't "state of the art". That is what you can sell on a console and get away with.
Quote from: VMX_D-Dub on January 25, 2006, 01:34:35 AMIt pisses me off that people complain so much about little things when we've been begging for something like this for the past few years.
Im sorry if my "complaining" (where is it, btw?) is getting you pissed, but thats your problem, not mine.
Like it or not Mx vs atv PC, still has the limitations of the console versions, because rainbow couldnt be arsed/didnt have time to fix them. Hopefully the patch will address these issues.
TBH your post reminded me of a few fanboy's in my other main game i play, liveforspeed.
They dont like people "complaining, moaning, or bitching" about the bad things in "their" game they so dearly love either, and will have no problems biting your head off if you dare to say a bad word about "their" game, no matter how obvious the "Bugs" are. ;)
Quote from: Fixer on January 25, 2006, 02:54:26 AM
...30fps is the bare amount needed to make a video watchable....
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You must hate watching movies, because the NTSC standard for cinematic movies is 29.97fps. And you better be glad you don't live abroad, because the PAL standard is 24.6fps. But if you do live abroad, then I feel for your super eyes. :o
O.K.
Here's the part where I make an ass out of myself. The thread prompted me to do a little research, and here is part of what I found:
"NVIDIA a computer video card maker who recently purchased 3dFx another computer video card maker just finished a GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) for the XBOX from Microsoft. Increasing amounts of rendering capabilities and memory as well as more transistors and instructions per second equate to more frames per second in a Computer Video Game or on Computer Displays in general. There is no motion blur, so the transition from frame to frame is not as smooth as in movies, that is at 30 FPS. In example, NVIDIA/3dfx put out a demo that runs half the screen at 30 fps, and the other half at 60 fps. The results? - there is a definite difference between the two scenes; 60 fps looking much better and smoother than the 30 fps."
The full article is here: http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html
Yes, 30 is the standard for TV- movies but dont' try to confuse the issue with facts ;D--------- Of course that standard is ancient.
The overwhelming solution to a more realistic game play, or computer video has been to push the human eye past the misconception of only being able to perceive 30 FPS. Pushing the Human Eye past 30 FPS to 60 FPS and even 120 FPS is possible, ask the video card manufacturers, an eye doctor, or a Physiologist. We as humans CAN and DO see more than 60 frames a second.
Don't underestimate your own eyes Buddy...
The USAF, in testing their pilots for visual response time, used a simple test to see if the pilots could distinguish small changes in light. In their experiment a picture of an aircraft was flashed on a screen in a dark room at 1/220th of a second. Pilots were consistently able to "see" the afterimage as well as identify the aircraft. This simple and specific situation not only proves the ability to percieve 1 image within 1/220 of a second, but the ability to interpret higher FPS.
It used to be 60fps was the gold standard that arcade machines played at... why is 30fps suppossed to be acceptable 10-20 years later?
Thanks for that article I remember reading this same thing a few years back.
yes, after reading that article I'm sold on higher frame rates.
You guys have rainbow employee's telling you again and again that it's not possible to change the 30 fps thing, and even if it was, you wouldn't want to do it.
It's really looooooong past time to put the subject to rest.
They never said it wasn't possible
30FPS shouldnt be an issue if your computer can keep it at a stedy 30 FPS without dipping then you WILL NOT benefit from a higher FPS. Even those people getting lag but "claiming" to have a high end system sorry but i just do not believe you. I AM running a 7800 with everything maxed in MX plus 4x AA and 8x AF and my frame doesnt dip bellow 30 at all and without chop. Of course i have to use my keyboard to watch the FPS since having FRAPS ON and useing my controller causes a problem where my controller stops functioning till i turn fraps off (hopefully that is in this upcomming patch!) There are so many more important issues out there with this game than complaining over a silly FPS boost that will get you nothing....again if you get lag at 30 your not going to get better by upping the fps limiter LOL. Lets fix the max 6 player thing in online....lets fix the max 4 players online issue when you are useing the all vehicles option...if the 4 player issue is a problem with planes and choppers then GIVE THEM THEIR OWN CLASS, cause 4 and 6 player limits just seems to small on the PC.
I'm just curious...is there a 'no cd' patch on the way?
Quote from: nike23 on January 25, 2006, 07:29:32 PM
30FPS shouldnt be an issue if your computer can keep it at a stedy 30 FPS without dipping then you WILL NOT benefit from a higher FPS. Even those people getting lag but "claiming" to have a high end system sorry but i just do not believe you. I AM running a 7800 with everything maxed in MX plus 4x AA and 8x AF and my frame doesnt dip bellow 30 at all and without chop. Of course i have to use my keyboard to watch the FPS since having FRAPS ON and useing my controller causes a problem where my controller stops functioning till i turn fraps off (hopefully that is in this upcomming patch!) There are so many more important issues out there with this game than complaining over a silly FPS boost that will get you nothing....again if you get lag at 30 your not going to get better by upping the fps limiter LOL. Lets fix the max 6 player thing in online....lets fix the max 4 players online issue when you are useing the all vehicles option...if the 4 player issue is a problem with planes and choppers then GIVE THEM THEIR OWN CLASS, cause 4 and 6 player limits just seems to small on the PC.
Apparently you are only half reading what has been said,
Personnaly I get 30fps with no lag in the fps at any time. Tested with ati tool and my fps is a constant 30 fps with occasional spikes to 33 fps.
You wouldn't want more fps if you were getting lag. You could benefit visually if your system can sustain higher FPS, the game will look and play smoother at a higher fps. If you can't tell the difference visually between 30 fps and 60fps then you wouldn't know what we are talking about.
No one here said that raising fps would get rid of lag, please reread what has been said.
It's the 30fps that looks choppy. If you don't see that then you should be fine ;)
This is just one of many issues people would like to see addressed.
The 30FPS seems to bother some more than others. I have observed a similar thing with refresh rates on monitors. Some people are fine with 60hz and see no flicker while others can't stand the flicker it drives them crazy and they have to have their monitors at 70hz. We have one person at work that really needs to have it at 75hz or 85 hz.
With the 30FPS in a game I have to go out of my way to see any issues with it. The only time it shows up for me is while going around a corner at top speed and looking off in the distance to the outside of the turn rather then looking where I'm going. I also have to be riding with a view where you are behind the bike. If I'm on the bike I just don't notice it at all.
Everybody's eyes are different.
Bruce
I run my monitor at 85hz and can tell the difference between 75 and 85, 60hz is really bad on my eyes after awhile.
Some games on Dreamcast run at 30 FPS like MVA is a bit choppy to my eyes and it also affects the input I give the game from my control, while Daytona USA on DC runs at 60 FPS and that is probably the smoothest game I've ever seen play on any console, theres never any slight pauses just like when I run MCM2 offline at 85 FPS with vsync on.
I think there should be a option to lock the FPS at 30, 40, 50 and 60 FPS.
I got 85 too.After playing the game about two hours my eyes hurt like hell.This has happened on a few nights but not with MCM2 or some other games.
I've always seen the flicker at 60 hz... but I just want to see the game first...!
Hey Folks... Looks like I picked a great time to maybe get back into online MX.
RKip 8)
Welcome Back Randall!
Pete
Welcome back. I've bumped up your access so stop by the TD forums.
Bruce
Wow,
Kip thats cool you are coming back ! I loved some of your tracks from back in the day !