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Cutting to the chase, it has a track editor and I'm positive everyone will be happy with some of the features. :)

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THQ AND RAINBOW STUDIOS REDEFINING OFF- ROAD GENRE FOR PSPâ,,¢ (PLAYSTATION®PORTABLE) SYSTEM AND WINDOWS PC

Elite Racing Developer Puts Fans Behind More Than Just The Handle Bars, Adding All-New Track Editor, Vehicles And Challenges To Unleashed Franchise


AGOURA HILLS, CA. November 30, 2005  THQ Inc. (NASDAQ: THQI) today announced the franchise that redefined the off-road genre will debut for handheld and Windows PC when      MX vs. ATV Unleashedâ,,¢: On the Edge comes to the PSPâ,,¢ (PlayStation®Portable) system and MX vs. ATV Unleashedâ,,¢ ships for Windows PC. The releases expand on the franchise’s overwhelming success, allowing Windows PC gamers to personalize their racing experience with an all-new track editor. Both titles, anticipated to release in early 2006, will allow gamers to race with a collection of new vehicles and chose between new tracks, challenges and mini-games.

“Rainbow Studios is taking their mastery of the off-road genre to new heights, redefining the genre they built for Windows PC and bringing the duel between four wheels and two to the PSP system for the first time,” said Dave Miller, Senior Global Brand Manager, THQ. “Gamers can now build their personalized vision of the ultimate off-road environment on their Windows PC, take it online and race against all challengers.”

“We’re looking forward to bringing the Unleashed experience to the handheld market as well as returning to our off-road development roots on the PC,” said Scott Novis, President, Rainbow Studios. “Both titles will possess the unmatched game-play elements that define a                Rainbow Studios title and provide exciting new content at the same time.”
MX vs. ATV Unleashed: On the Edge and MX vs. ATV Unleashed for Windows PC bring Rainbow Studio’s critically acclaimed franchise to the PSP system and Windows PC for the first time, allowing gamers to explore immense free-world areas, compete with an array of vehicle types and vie for off-road supremacy in a multitude of racing modes. The franchise’s ultra-realistic Rhythm Racingâ,,¢ physics engine returns, accompanied by an all-new track editor for the Windows PC, allowing gamers to create their own, personalized off-road fantasy. PSP system multiplayer will allow four players to challenge each other online via wireless connection and eight players will be able to get dirty online on Windows PC.

About Rainbow Studios
Named Game Informer’s “Developer of the Year for 2001”, Rainbow Studios is one of THQ’s premier content creators for console systems and PCs.  Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Rainbow’s fifteen-year videogame history includes the top-selling Splashdown, award-winning ATV Offroad Fury series and critically acclaimed Motocross Madness PC series which received Best Sports Computer Game of 2000 award by the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences.  The February 2004 release of MX Unleashed marked the introduction of the “Unleashed” brand and the February release of MX vs. ATV Unleashed combined Rainbow’s development expertise with ATVs and Motocross. 


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This may mark the end of mcm2 as we know it!!!  :o

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am freaking pumped about this. I dont thnk it will end the mcm2 era, It will just make everything better!

I was going to buy that game for xbox this weekend haha. Now ill wait for the PC version. Looks like TD has got a new platform to look foward to  ;D. I cant wait for this to come out.

I can't wait to get my hands on this.  Everytime I've played ATVOF 1, ATVOF 2, MXU, and MXU vs ATV I've wished that I could try those vehicles and AI out on some of my tracks.

Bruce

really great news. Just hope the track editor is a real one not just a point and click effort but is great news all round

that's the best 2005 news  ;D     good good  ;)

i have race a game that alow 20 riders race online and i can say its excelent , very fun race aganst 18 riders (on our race it was 18), people all over the place , thats very good for online racers and tournys, imagine u doing a mx tourny with  max 20 riders...   well 8 is cool also but since u guys are doing it maybe can be possible ....
( the game i have race works good with 18 , no lag , lag= 0%  , and its a 1998 game with a upgrade (big) on 2004 to better grafics etc. etc...)
but just the 8 is cool if its not possible more, the best thing is the game , tracks  , track editor and the online races .

and i hope to see 1000 people on online races , between mx riders, quad riders and monstertrucks riders and offroad-cars riders , who knows lol.
To the guys that are doing this , dont need to be fast, just put everything on the right place lol  ;D

(http://bb.1asphost.com/VRTJPRLisbon/JP_net_pics/rockon.gif)

Atleast people who keep whining about realistic atv models in mcm2 will get their fricken atv's  8).

For some reason it looks like the bikes in MX vs ATV unleashed handle better than MXU. I found MXU's handling to be very fun. I like the fact that in MvsA there are 250f's, Supermoto's, and stuff like that. This track making tool should make for some interesting tracks. Im going to love to see replicas pop up  ;D

This makes Bo very very happy.

(http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/582/582884/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20050126024832912.jpg)

:insert drool smiley here:

(http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/582/582884/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20050126024756664.jpg)

Reed leading the pack, and yes bubba is actually black!

No worries about the editor guys! All of the Rainbow Studios job candidates have known about this for some time. But we were sworn to secrecy. During the 4 month job screening process, Rainbow (actually Diz) asked us our opinions on what we would like to see in a track editor. Most of the suggestions were stuff that Laurie has put into Dillo Too...there were some other suggestions too. I'd have to guess that there was a reason for asking such a thing. From what I understand, the editor will be a lot like Armadillo, except it will be updated to include many of our suggestions.

I would have to say that this probably WILL be the end for MCM2. Once you guys have got a TASTE of what it's like to ride with the NEW physics on newly created tracks...I'd say MCM2 will be a very good memory. It's not sad really...it's a HAPPY time! Rejoice guys...you're prayers are about to be answered!  ;)

just hoping it aint gayspy arcade:(

Its SOOOOOOO hard not to be skeptical of this...

I've been wanting this for like 6 years.  Even the release of MXU didn't satisfy my desire for a "next generation" mx game.  Now it looks like we may have one??  With a track editor superior to Dillo?  Hopefully the physics will be adjustable, so the floaty physics that ruined MXU for me can be tweaked.

All in all, this is just terrific news, and I hope it really turns out well.

Any mention of a trick editor?

Paul, any idea on what multiplayer code they are using? (hoping its not DX!!!!!!!). I want to have 20 person motos!!!! I think MVA only allows for 12 riders or something..... i forget what MXU allows for.

Thats great news Paul and something to really look forward to....though I will be sad if it does replace MCM2,I had alot of great times learning and creating :'(. though if the new editor truly is great and we create great tracks,then so be it.Paul,will it at least be the same style of making tracks such as using Photoshop/PS Pro and importing/exporting into a 3-d editor like Dillo?
I hope it comes out soon. ;D

As far as I was told it is the same disp map technique we use now.  Just bigger sizes (I hope)

i got a questoin for you guys will it be backwards compatible whit mcm2 tracks?

Then that sounds ok by me Alex.I wouldnt mind alot more space on my Nats to create with.Lap times in the 3-4 minute range perhaps? ;D

Great news!  I'm sure we'll all love creating tracks for the game as well as converting over some old favs...can't wait! :)

Jeff

With a track editor it doesn't have to be backwards compatible.  You can just redo them using what ever new capabilities are in the new editor.

I'm hoping the AI is improved.  Remember how we could actually tune the AI in Extreme Biker/MX2k/MX Mania?

I also hope there is the potential for adding models and adjusting the physics for them, but that might be too much to hope for.

Bruce

Hey guys, long time no chat!  I'm hoping that we can make tracks for the PSP also!  That would be so cool!
But at this point in the game, we just want something! a better MCM2!

2 words : can't wait !

sounds great.. any idea when it wil be out?

Quote from: PRO_Westy on November 30, 2005, 08:42:15 PM
really great news. Just hope the track editor is a real one not just a point and click effort but is great news all round

i so agree,  im really excited about this and if its a point and place editer im gunna be sooooo sad.  with 6 od years since the release of mcm2 editer im expecting something way state of the art and not a step backwards.  but lets just wait and see. :-\

Ian.

Quote from: |RBW|faKt0r on November 30, 2005, 06:47:37 PM
....  anticipated to release in early 2006 ...

I guess that would be before the end of June.

Bruce

Its not a point and click editor.  ;)  I know nothing more than that though.

Quote from: DBR_Dodgy on December 01, 2005, 01:26:08 AM

Quote from: PRO_Westy on November 30, 2005, 08:42:15 PM
really great news. Just hope the track editor is a real one not just a point and click effort but is great news all round

i so agree,  im really excited about this and if its a point and place editer im gunna be sooooo sad.  with 6 od years since the release of mcm2 editer im expecting something way state of the art and not a step backwards.  but lets just wait and see. :-\

Ian.

I think everyone will like the editor. It has been made for beginners as well as advanced users like yourselves. A track can be made entirely in the editor, it can start in something like photoshop for displacements and textures, or a combination of the both. I really can't say much more than that at the moment.

I really hope the new editor is like leveller. You can create a disp map on the right and view a 3d version of it in real time on the left. Its great for fine tuning terrain.

awesomenessss !

Cant wait, I have it for ps2 and love it, now on PC ....  :o

I loved it on XBOX, now I get it on PC soon... OMG WOOHOOO MMS will Rock again :D

Simply awesome

My biggest "want" is very strict anti cheat code for online, Similar to TD Zone, and importable objects (objects like skins, bales, Bikes that are importable)   And perhaps a tournament script built in like nascar to export race results into an html format.

God damn i hope that game is nothing like mxu bucause mxu sucked so bad. Can you still float on MvsA? And does it still have shocking handling?, I am going to have to buy a new computer for this new game as i imagine it will be around 2gb+. Mcm2 is the only game i have bought for pc. and thats was about 5 years ago hehehehe. Im on a old ass pc, pentium111, 18.6 gb hard drive with 256 mb ram, my pc aint gonna be able to handle MvsA.

Wow this is awesome, kinda what people have been waiting for for like almost 6 years now. Hopefully it doesn't take a super high-end comp to run the game though. Good news though regardless.

Quote from: RRC_OiLbUrNeR on December 01, 2005, 06:58:22 AM
Can you still float on MvsA?

I didn't like MXU either, because of the floaty physics, but if you really look into it, you'll see that a major reason the phsyics were so floaty was the tracks.

With user created tracks the caliber of those we see for MCM2, I think you will grow to love the physics, even if it is straight from MXU.  That's what I think I will end up doing.

We'll just have to have track creator's that take advantage of the strengths of the physics and neutralize the weaknesses, which is what we have now for MCM2.

Wonderful News !!!  Cant wait for the editor.

Quote from: ElDiablo on November 30, 2005, 09:34:43 PM
No worries about the editor guys! All of the Rainbow Studios job candidates have known about this for some time. But we were sworn to secrecy. During the 4 month job screening process, Rainbow (actually Diz) asked us our opinions on what we would like to see in a track editor. Most of the suggestions were stuff that Laurie has put into Dillo Too...there were some other suggestions too. I'd have to guess that there was a reason for asking such a thing. From what I understand, the editor will be a lot like Armadillo, except it will be updated to include many of our suggestions.

I would have to say that this probably WILL be the end for MCM2. Once you guys have got a TASTE of what it's like to ride with the NEW physics on newly created tracks...I'd say MCM2 will be a very good memory. It's not sad really...it's a HAPPY time! Rejoice guys...you're prayers are about to be answered!  ;)

Don't pant yourself on the back to much Paul I had a little whisper in the ear about a year ago about all of this and had to keep quite. Damn I didn't even make the trip out there see anyone either. Did you Twisted. ;) It's great news and I hope you guys realize it will be direct port over to the PC and not a revamped game. That's just the cold hard facts that I think we will come to see in the future. Being the 360 is out and coding for it is just like coding a PC game we will see tons of ports and new games with alot of *#*#* thrown in there to blow our money on. That's the future of gaming but at least we will be around to give one another crap on the forums and review ones works of art. :)
Mike
Mike

I just want to know how the online gaming will work? Is it going to be like the zone or what?

i agree with Dave that an anti cheat is the main thing for online, we all know how good racing was in the day online but then that all went tits up cos of cheating hacks.

the game should bring back a few old guys back and a ton of new ones aswell, even though its NOT MCM3 its what we have all really been waiting for to boost the Cybor MX experience.

Ian.

yay! sweet

I didnt like MXU either but I loved MX vs ATV Unleashed, seemed like the AI was much better and the bike seemed to handel better too.

On mxu it didnt take skill to play, if someone sat their for 1 whole year playing the game dailey and then got his mate over who has never played the game and raced each other, the guy who hasnt played before still has a chance of winning. It just wasnt a good game, in lap differences it was millasecond differece or 1 second, on mcm2 with the huge pre load and many many lines you can take, you can beet a noob a good 30 seconds on lap times. Thats what i like about mcm2.

Oh and if MvsA comes to msn zone i wont be playing the game. I have had it with msn zone i only plau mcm2 offline or here on tdzone with my cousin lol.

LOL...Nobody is "panting" themselves on the back Mike. Just excited that everyone finally knows the big secret and that we're finally getting what we've been asking for.

There were some very appreciable differences between MXU and MX vs ATV Unleashed. The physics engine got a mild revamp and it's evident from playing it for any length of time. The bike isn't as "floaty" anymore and you can save a bad landing by landing hard on the rear tire with the throttle pinned. You can also scrub speed by tapping the rear tire on the lip of the lander like in real life.

No chance of it being on MSN Zone...why? Because MICROSOFT owns it and only MS games get on there!  :P

What will be the minimum requirements to play this stuff on the pc ?

No idea...we'll have to wait and see. Chances are...if you can't play the newest hottest games on your pc now...the outlook isn't too promising for this one either.

Generally most new games require-

P3 1.5Ghz or above
256Mb of ram or above
up to 2Gigs of HD space
and a 64Mb graphics card or above

if you can't meet those specs...chances are pretty good that you aren't going to have a lot of fun with this game either.

Oh ok Paul, I was asking that cuz MCM2 is laggy here with my
P4 2ghz
Nvidia 256mb
512 ram
60gigs hd
...
But the other games looks very good here, only MCM2 is starting to be crappy.

MCM 2 should run fine with that setup.  What resolution are you running?  I ran MCM 2 fine on a PIII 550 with an old NVidia card.   I think you need to clean up your system.

It's written work fine on a console so it should be fine on a PC.  Remember the XBox is only something like a PIII 700.

Bruce

Wow , just came accross this thread and looks good that its coming to PC . I doubt any game will replace what so many of us experienced in MCM1 & 2  but at least its something new to learn and maybe create new life into the racing community . Since TTM went down , that was a big enough blow to us for our offline / online tournaments so hopefully this will have a great anti-cheat program or at least something will be created to run it like the TD zone , TTM , msn zone , ect...
I'll wait for some decent reviews after /during the release before getting too excited  ;D

-Jimmy-

waaaaaaaa?

For one, I tihnk we'll be happy just to get a new game after six years.  All the old vets like me are getting excited again!  This will breath new life into our dedicated community.  I personally don't think Rainbow Studios will let us down, why? Because they can't afford to.  They've been hearing our crying for years, I'm sure they listened to some of it.
:D

The key is for them to support the game after, and crush the bugs as they are found and not ignore them, like they did with MCM1 and 2!  If a stupid hacker finds a way to cheat online, Rainbow needs to fix it, quickly!  Otherwise we are back to square one.

Some of us have been around here since MCM1, and involved heavily...we've seen the way things were handled.  We just don't want the same crap happening all over again.

16th feb is release in germany as the onlineshops say...too long - much too long  ;D
anyway good news!

Im feel both good and bad about this upcoming game release. Good that theres finaly something new coming, but bad because I will be spending way too much time sitting in front of this monitor!
It also sucks that its coming out before/during the summer. Thats lousy timing but hey its better then nothing.
I also hope that the editor is highly complex to use and will weed out the truly dedicated track makers from the sloppy slap together track makers.

This is so good i can not even say.. i just cant wait to see all the older guys come crawlin back begin for mercy lol left us thin wona come sneakin back in ok i understand. :P

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/672/672804/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20051130050454996.jpg
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/672/672804/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20051130050449731.jpg
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/672/672804/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20051130050443106.jpg
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/672/672804/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20051130050458215.jpg

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Quote from: TNT_wfo on December 01, 2005, 07:11:20 PM
Im feel both good and bad about this upcoming game release. Good that theres finaly something new coming, but bad because I will be spending way too much time sitting in front of this monitor!
It also sucks that its coming out before/during the summer. Thats lousy timing but hey its better then nothing.
I also hope that the editor is highly complex to use and will weed out the truly dedicated track makers from the sloppy slap together track makers.

Good point.

So much for my above post...

QuoteIGNPC: Players will actually be able to create their own tracks this time. What have you included in the editor to make the process easy and fun for those willing to put the time into creating custom tracks?

Rob Baumsteiger: Pretty much anyone will be able to pick up the track editor. It should be very easy to use, but the great thing is that the advance users will be able to export in textures and displacement maps.

Editor looks a bit like the Xpand Rally editor, except simpler.

Quote from: |RBW|faKt0r on December 01, 2005, 01:36:16 AM

Quote from: DBR_Dodgy on December 01, 2005, 01:26:08 AM

Quote from: PRO_Westy on November 30, 2005, 08:42:15 PM
really great news. Just hope the track editor is a real one not just a point and click effort but is great news all round

i so agree,  im really excited about this and if its a point and place editer im gunna be sooooo sad.  with 6 od years since the release of mcm2 editer im expecting something way state of the art and not a step backwards.  but lets just wait and see. :-\

Ian.

I think everyone will like the editor. It has been made for beginners as well as advanced users like yourselves. A track can be made entirely in the editor, it can start in something like photoshop for displacements and textures, or a combination of the both. I really can't say much more than that at the moment.

beginners and advanced so is hard to say what level the editor will be with that comment. but totally understandable that not to much can be said so far

Check this out....  (PSP only)

Media is all ready all of it.
http://psp.ign.com/articles/672/672711p1.html

http://media.psp.ign.com/media/711/711372/imgs_1.html

OK, PC STUFF HERE...

http://pc.ign.com/articles/672/672804p1.html

Is it just me or the textures look very low rez? (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/787/787367/img_3242281.html)

man o man. killer. awesome. rediculously awesome. insanely killerly awesomely awesome.

i think its awesome but i am a bit worried about if we can import custom  objects and bikes...

Kamshaft, any thoughts on opening another MCM Central like site again? I loved the setup you had there.

man this is gona be good ..this is it guys

Quote from: Kamshaft on December 01, 2005, 09:24:45 PM
Is it just me or the textures look very low rez?

Looks like no texture just an detailmap.
The terraintextures really doesnt look the best in all screenshots.

Wonder if we will be able to use joysticks? or are we going to have to buy the ps2 controller adapters?

I agree with Calirider.

I posted this before, but here goes again, I'm VERY particular about my setup  ::)

Here is one wish that is High on my List of Features for this new port of MXU to the PC.

Multiple Choice of Controllers.

With MCM2, there are a wide variety of controllers that can be configured to work with the game. This has been a plus for many of us that have enjoyed this game, I know many people that have used multiple controllers.

Given my background of Network Administrator and CAD manager, I'm very comfortable with a mouse. Therefore, the controller setup I use for MCM2 is:

Primary Controller: Logitech MX510 Laser Gaming mouse for steering, with left button for gas, and right button for brakes.

Secondary Controller: Microsoft Precision 2 Joystick, used for preload and freestyle buttons.

I love this setup because of the precise steering input from the mouse, and the separation of the steering and preload functions to separate hands. It allows me many options for input into the bike.

No other MX game that I've tried gives me this flexibility.

XBOX MX Unleashed, MTX MotoTrax, etc. don't have this ability.

Thank you,
Brian

Quote from: Allen on December 01, 2005, 07:31:20 PM
Ii just cant wait to see all the older guys come crawlin back begin for mercy lol left us thin wona come sneakin back in ok i understand. :P

Yeah...that would be me! I just caught wind of this today and im freaking excited. From what I'm reading it seems like it'll be fairly friendly to advanced users. If not, I have confidence that we'd be just a bit motivated to make changes!

Anyway I look at it, it's good news! Oh and what's up to all the people I haven't talked to in ages.  ;D

QuoteKamshaft, any thoughts on opening another MCM Central like site again? I loved the setup you had there.

I did register mxucentral.com, in THINKING about re-opening it back up.

I just don't want to end up doing things alone again.  If I did re-open it, things will be almost the same, but better.  And hopefully have more people helping me.

Bandwidth is what nearly killed us last time.  I just don't want to bit off more than I can chew you know? We'll see...Oh, let's not forget...time! If I have any left.  I have a 10 month old son now....So, time is not what I have a lot of.  :P

But, I'll make time for this game, and maybe re-release my MCM2 tracks and maybe some new ones.

well man the community around here is cool now im sure people will be generous enough to help with Website/Donations

Kamshaft,

I might be able to help you with hosting. How much bandwidth, diskspace do you need?
Drop me a email  toadsix@strayminis.com

Really exciting stuff around this whole release, cant wait!!!

Kamshaft,

   Get in touch with me (email or MSN...should both be available here) and lets talk "Turkey". I might be able to help with hosting costs and any admin stuff you'd need. I won't be able to kick-in until after Xmas. But then I'd definately be able to help out. I'm also planning on renting a host for my portfolio website...and I'm not gonna be using much of it. Let's talk...   ;)

OMG!!  ;D

AWESOME!!!

Anyone know if it has tag/stunts?

hmm this is so weired.. we have waited for this for so long, and now that its time for it, im not so sure i really want it.. the more i think about it, the less excited i get... i know how much i hate mx vs atv physics  in FMX on ps2.. i wonder how it would work on pc..

oh well.. im eager to try it out.

The physics will feel completely different on tech tracks. I hope. ;)

I already know that I'll be happier with the physics than MCM 2's.  I hope we can tweak the AI to be competitive on our own tracks.  I've always hated that about MCM 2.

Bruce

Quote from: V_Muskaman on December 01, 2005, 10:59:08 PM

Quote from: Allen on December 01, 2005, 07:31:20 PM
Ii just cant wait to see all the older guys come crawlin back begin for mercy lol left us thin wona come sneakin back in ok i understand. :P

Yeah...that would be me! I just caught wind of this today and im freaking excited. From what I'm reading it seems like it'll be fairly friendly to advanced users. If not, I have confidence that we'd be just a bit motivated to make changes!

Anyway I look at it, it's good news! Oh and what's up to all the people I haven't talked to in ages.  ;D

Hey Muskaman long time, good to see your still kicking.

I can Imagen that Bandwidth isn't as expensive as it was when Central was at its peak. But I can imagen it would still be ridiculous for one person to take on. How madmac continues with MCM Factory is beyond me, which I personally thank for his devoted contribution.

I have been thinking about this for along time on how we could save on bandwidth. Since so many sites have gone down due to extreme bandwith.

So I was curious if there would be a way to implement say torrents rather then one person taking on the whole load. We are a community so why not share resources. Of course it would have its share of problems. But I think if we can cut down on the bandwidth usage it will be better for the community.

This is just an idea of course. But your opinions are welcome.

i was thinkin if someone has a server computor that they dont use and have all the downloaded things to use myhttp or watever it is its a free server it goes right off your comp if i aint mistaken njdbrs site is off of skinmans comp.  And i guess it doesnt cost anything.  I was looking into it but i aint got an extra comp.  even a sorta crappy comp with at least a 100 gb hard drive would be fine really for a server.  I am so excited Cant Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I personally love mx vs atv unleashed i have spent endless hours playing that.

Finally some love from Rainbow!

Quote from: V_SDesign on December 02, 2005, 02:20:40 AM

Quote from: V_Muskaman on December 01, 2005, 10:59:08 PM

Quote from: Allen on December 01, 2005, 07:31:20 PM
Ii just cant wait to see all the older guys come crawlin back begin for mercy lol left us thin wona come sneakin back in ok i understand. :P

Yeah...that would be me! I just caught wind of this today and im freaking excited. From what I'm reading it seems like it'll be fairly friendly to advanced users. If not, I have confidence that we'd be just a bit motivated to make changes!

Anyway I look at it, it's good news! Oh and what's up to all the people I haven't talked to in ages.  ;D

Hey Muskaman long time, good to see your still kicking.

I can Imagen that Bandwidth isn't as expensive as it was when Central was at its peak. But I can imagen it would still be ridiculous for one person to take on. How madmac continues with MCM Factory is beyond me, which I personally thank for his devoted contribution.

I have been thinking about this for along time on how we could save on bandwidth. Since so many sites have gone down due to extreme bandwith.

So I was curious if there would be a way to implement say torrents rather then one person taking on the whole load. We are a community so why not share resources. Of course it would have its share of problems. But I think if we can cut down on the bandwidth usage it will be better for the community.

This is just an idea of course. But your opinions are welcome.

The torrent thing is a good idea, but it'll take a lot longer to retrieve tracks using that method, and most people won't want to seed and play because the upload will totally lag you online.  I was thinking maybe limit the number of tracks people can upload?  Increase the limit by # of downloads on a certain track.  Say someones track hits 300 dl's, he gets another track slot to upload.  This ensures that only the best tracks are going to be uploaded, and we don't get hundreds of 1-day-to-make crap tracks with 20 dl's each or "test" tracks. 

I'm sure bandwidth won't be a problem though once word of this game starts getting out.  More people are going to come back and want to contribute(including me after the holidays).  The most important thing is to keep things free to the public like they were before.  Maybe you can have the ability though to be a paying member and get certain benefits(more track slots, ability to leave comments about tracks, etc.)  It sounds a little harsh maybe, but think of all the tracks that will be released if the editor is as simple as it looks. 

Damn, I'm coming back for more if this looks promising

Kamshaft open the site back up man you were here since MCM1 i really hated to see it shut down. And lastly FIRE UP YOUR BIKES BOYS AND GIRLS WERE GOING RAICNG AGAIN!!  ;D

There will be too much bandwidth with 1 site, we need 3 or make it a pay service, these new tracks will be 15 megs zipped, top notch tracks will be downloaded 3,000 times, do the math, Kam, if you do this I reccomend it to be a pay service($20 a year) and perhaps some help so its not on you, I would be willing to handle the forums if you want.

Yooo.. HOLE SHEET why hasnt someone emailed me earlier about this thanks to bruce for the heads up this is amazing... hell yes guys!

All you need for destriibuting tracks is a Torrent tracking site, similar to what has been made for rFactor, that way everyone shares the load, gets fast downloads and it doesn't cost anyone anything.

oh yeah, Im back (who?,they say)....lmao.

Been watching from the sidelines for a couple years now, waiting for this announcment.

Quote from: Metla666 on December 02, 2005, 08:41:53 AM
All you need for destriibuting tracks is a Torrent tracking site, similar to what has been made for rFactor, that way everyone shares the load, gets fast downloads and it doesn't cost anyone anything.

I mentioned that above, but don't have much knowledge on how torrents work. But I agree it would defiantly solve the cost issues.

Quote from: VRT_RIDEBLUE on December 02, 2005, 07:55:21 AM
There will be too much bandwidth with 1 site, we need 3 or make it a pay service, these new tracks will be 15 megs zipped, top notch tracks will be downloaded 3,000 times, do the math, Kam, if you do this I reccomend it to be a pay service($20 a year) and perhaps some help so its not on you, I would be willing to handle the forums if you want.

Thats my exact point Blue, we can't expect one person to take this on. We are a community and I think we should work together to make this as easy and inexpensive for everyone involved. I would be willing to pay a monthly or yearly fee if required, but I'd hope we could find away to keep it as free as possible.

I know advertising will help alittle, but it won't cover even half the bandwidth we'll be seeing. I just don't want to see anyone feeling obligated to fork out cash they shouldn't. I don't want anyone sleeping in a box to keep a site up we all use. I would defiantly think something in the lines of what RFJ had for awhile, recognized creators of course if there is a fee involved then this would be waved. You pay you play.

LosCyco,

I do think you might have something on limiting people on how much they can upload, that would defiantly reduce the amount of crappy tracks. Of course this will make it a lot harder for new creators to show there stuff. But I think with a limit the overall quality of tracks would be much higher. I personally take my sweet ass time between projects so having a limit would work for me. Another thought would be to have a group of mods or a selection of well known creators that review the tracks before they are available to the public. Removing the lack luster tracks from the pile and approving the quality or deserving tracks. Again this could cause problems, for new creators. But it would defiantly reduce the amount of bandwidth by reducing the amount of tracks uploaded. But again these are just some ideas.

I personally plan to open a personal site for my tracks and other related content. So if I end up with any space I'd be will to spread the load.

Well thats my journal post for the day.

Regards,

Denny

Hey fellas, appreciate the good news!  The TTM site has went down but it will be back up soon.  The server PC is changing locations from Gekko's house to another TTM member's.  Maybe we can talk Gekko into making a new recorder.  It's hard to say at this point, but hopefully he will.  This is the best news I've heard in quite a while.  Have a good one fellas.  

This is the rfactor torrent site I mentioned,

http://rtracker.no-ip.org/

There is a faq and on there and google has eleventy billion articles about torrents.

Anyhow, I use the above site extensivly to get tracks and cars for rFactor, And I leave them seeding when the comps free, Works well, doesn't cost a cent.

Man, it's gonna be a long three months.  This sounds like the good ole days again. :D

OH HELL NO! 15MB TRACKS ZIPPED!!! I am deffinantly goona ave to buy a new pc. I need to buy a car atm aswel well if it gets released in 3 months in usa im guessing another 8-12 months for Aus. Do american games work on aus pcs? like america uses ntsc while aus uses pal?

Well, I'm hoping to get a new pc by the time this is released and maybe that will prise me off XBL for long enough to get my ass whooped by some of you guys, just like the good old days :)

(Speaking of xbl, and a little off topic sorry, but the only guys i have played with on live from the mcm2 lot are mx45 and brenticus, Someone pm me their gamertag if they play anything on live)

Quote from: ElDiablo on December 01, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
No chance of it being on MSN Zone...why? Because MICROSOFT owns it and only MS games get on there! :P

Thats false, theres been a lot of non developed or published Microsoft games added to the zone over the years.

But I dout THQ/Rainbow will make a deal with Microsoft to have a new MX game added to the MSN Zone, it would be good though as it's a easy meeting place to join games and chat etc.

I'd rather the new MX vs ATV for PC to have it's own inbuilt chat server with dedicated servers like Nascar Racing 2003 has, very easy to use and no other software is required other then the game itself.

Quote from: _CaLiRiDeR_ on December 01, 2005, 10:39:35 PM
Wonder if we will be able to use joysticks? or are we going to have to buy the ps2 controller adapters?

Well any controller that works in DirectX under Direct Input should work no problem like MCM2, every PC game released these days is mostly all controlled by DirectX, some developers still have the option to use openGL for graphics acceleration which can actually be faster sometimes depending on the hardware and drivers used

Hosting is not the problem.  Heck, even building fancy PHP scripts is not an issue now either.  I knew nothing about PHP when I built MCM2 Central.  The issues are time & bandwidth.....MCM2 Central in it's "hay-day" was transfering over 600GB per month! That's 2GB per day, most hosts we had that just did mirroring.... dropped us.

A torrent site is a really good idea actually.  This would assure, a non bandwidth hogging system.  Blizzard does it for World of Warcraft with their patches. And it would be free, or very close to it.

How about a pay to download thing?  $5 per month or $50 per year for like 1GB per month or unlimited? (this is a not concerte)  Track creators could get a credits towards more downloads.  Thus, if you build tracks, you won't have to pay.  Advertisers, do people want flashing ads over just paying a small fee?  Just some ideas here folks.

We would filter bad tracks too.

I'm torn, really I am.  I may just be a regular person and make tracks again, under Cameron Graphics.  And maybe pay someone else.  ;D

And a review system, I would definately change the review system.

Kam

welll i dnt like paying but tbh its the fair way and i would part with my money that way

I think a review team would be best. Maybe a track will need 5 passing reviews before it gets hosted, and any tracks that a reviewer hasn't looked at yet will be flagged and they will need to review it before moving to the next track that hasn't had 5 reviews. This would be some work but if there were say, 50 reviewers then 5 reviews wouldnt be a problem.

http://halo.bungie.org have a video review system that works very well called the MPRRS (http://mprrs.bungie.org/).

About the paying aspect, I would prefer ads, as long as there are no pop-up ads. As an occasional downloader anyway.

Hello boys and girls.

ElDiablo tipped me off about this one. What can I say? Hot stuff :D

If the terrain, textures, skies etc work the same as MCM2 did then you'll definitely be seeing a new track from THE LOZ.

Does anybody know if it has motion blur? :D I love that effect!

Oh, and please don't use torrents... My university has blocked Bittorrent and all that. :(

~Loz

All of the MCM greats are coming outta the woodwork.  Lets see if Tnarg and 51 start making tracks again. :P

this is the thing we need to keep everyone here alive.

thanks sooo much rainbow !!! :-*

I myself would prefer ads.  and that review thing sounds ok but how bout if you set a minimum amount of downloads over 30 days like 30 downloads or 60 downloads. and if it doesnt make it delete it off the site and theres 15 mbs of bandwidth free.

The only thing about a download limit is that we wouldn't know how big the community will be, there will be a lot of new people I am sure.

Back in the day even the most crap tracks would get at least 100 downloads.(I would know as mine were a few of them)

Sweeeet  :D :D :D

Hahaha, we dont even have the game yet and were already thinking about how to streamline the sharing of tracks, lol. I do understand why.

I think the pay route is a bad idea. I really think it would turn people off to wanting to download tracks and ride them, killing the game off. I know that bandwidth is expensive and all the wonderful track makers are doing this on their own dime. I just wnat to throw some ideas out there....

Bittorrent is the way to go. Bittorrent was developed to do exactly what we are talking about. We would actually be using it for what it was intended for. LEGIT sharing. ;D
The main thing for torrents is the tracker. We need a good, reliable tracker. The tracker is what manages the torrents in the big bad net.

So basically, a track creator finishes a track, creates a torrent to SEED, uses the dedicated mcm3 ;D tracker(reg. required) and uploads it to the dedicated, registration required site, for people to leech. The key is for people to leave the torrent open when they are finished downloading.

As far as the review board for good tracks, only the top 50 or 100(whatever) track makers get a dedicated site to upload there files to seed from that server(so they dont have to use there connection)

Beginner to novice track makers use their own connection for seeding. This would keep the crap out of the expensive torrent seeding server.

This is very very doable. I am not a programmer for computers however, I have a very good friend who is a host with lots of knowledge about this.

With all the talent here, we could easily put something together.......

toad.

cuz we are getting ready for another 6 years of online motocross racing entertainment  ;D

If you guys wanted to do torrent stuff thats fine by me! I could easily seed for a long long long time...

Um...bandwith shouldnt be that big of a problem. I transfered 150 gigs off my server in 5 days in the first week of last month. Never had any problems with the hoster or the server (average DL rate was 45kbps on a DSL 1.5down connection). Total bandwith for that month was close to 350gigs i think.

My server is hosted at www.readyhosting.com - PS - i have the ONE PLAN 8.95 a month (50 dollar setup fee) so 150 bucks a year. Not bad at all! You guys might want to check them out they are good people.

EDIT-

O and www.Demonoid.com does a pretty good job. I dkn though you might just have to setup a MXU specific torrent server

So when we expecting a demo out?

Quote from: VMX_SKYmx99 on December 02, 2005, 05:55:10 PM
All of the MCM greats are coming outta the woodwork.  Lets see if Tnarg and 51 start making tracks again. :P

Ill get  ahold of Nargie and his brother Smenthy, been a few months now since i have talked to him (narg) but im sure he will be pretty stoked on this. A lot of the old crew im sure will be back in action......

No demo's planned as far as I know. Doesn't mean there won't be one...but I wouldn't get my hopes up. If there IS a demo, I would imagine that it would be done privately so that Rainbow could manage things easier.

Right now...the most important thing to note is that Rainbow have FINALLY come to their senses and released (or planned to release) a PC game. We need to make 100% sure that everyone buys this game. Only through the undisputable proof of REVENUE will they see that PC is a viable platform with money to made. If everyone buys this thing and supports it like it sounds like everyone wants to...then I'm sure we can expect MORE PC versions of future games as well.

I for one will be pre-ordering my game as soon as it becomes available to do so!  ;D

I just found out today and I can't wait! I really like MXU and MX vs ATV. Heck, I bought an XBOX just for those 2 games but I am soooo glad it's coming back to the PC where it all started. I'm having flashbacks to September of 1998 and the MCM 1 tourney for a trip to Vegas. Lot's of great memories. I can't believe it's been almost 8 years since this all started. Wow, I'll be checking constantly for pre-orders.  :D

any ideas when we will be able to preorder

So many OG's on here its great.. seeming more and more like the old days again!! yesssss

And ocicide Whaatss upp..

Man I really hope that this game works good with PC, I played it over a freinds house on Playstation and I wasn't too thrilled about it, the bike didn't seem to work as well with the game, the graphics were alsome, tracks were fun, something just didn't seem rite about the way the bike worked.. maybe its me being anal, :P   but I really can't wait for it to hit stores and hopefully be up and going with rooms to play it in with others......

I am speachless... :o All i can say is LET THE DIRT FLY ;D

-MotoX

Simon?  Is that you?  :o

This is as cool as every says it is.  Someone up there ^^^^^ said something about " another 6 years of online racing..  that's what most of us wanted hear.

The ideas are flying like mad......  and thats a good thing..  to a certain extent.  This needs to be done in functional stages, so we can enjoy online racing with this new game sooner .... than much much later.

You guys that will end up swingin alotta weight around how this pans out....... please give us  something as soon as possible......  then bring the new ideas in with some logical sequence.

Eager to keep runnin

Tex

jese this is gnna be a long month or 2  I cant wait no more lol.  Im gettin set up for it im custom building my own comp wit a gforce 6800gt a gig of ram mabye 2 3.2 ghz processer intel pentuim 4.  And im looking at some dsl services too bad they dont come out here :'( I am prepared.

this news comes and now i see alll these old names hahaha brings a good vibe about how big it will be.

Come on... Does it have TAG??
Tag is like the only event that ppl still play on zone.. no tag = no money from me.. :S

Tag = (*#*#*) I'll buy 10 copies just for the hell of it!

tag is pretty much the worst part of mcm2, u have fun with that..... me and all the men will be racing...


it would be awesome if there was an ingame stats system, im praying for that, and im also hoping the physics will be good.


but does anyone else realize the new community that will be coming? CHOCK FULL of new NEWBS! and there will be some new kick ass designers and modders out there, so i cant wait to see what else other talented people can bring to this game.

i want to kno the disp and tex dimensions and i want to know if u can add custom models, custom tricks, all taht...

Bring on TAG BALLS! LMAO

(http://www.members.optushome.com.au/twisteddesigns/pics/oc_tag.jpg)

"Room 1 Pro Barbie Tag!"  ;D

Quote from: v_hoOk~ on December 03, 2005, 06:07:23 AM
but does anyone else realize the new community that will be coming? CHOCK FULL of new NEWBS!

I hope that doesn't mean *#*#*loads of 'stupid' frech *#*#*... they keep *#*#* up mcmfactory..lets not mention the new sites that definitly will come... meh :P

Everyone was a noob once. because someone is new it doesnt mean they are fools. The more the older more expericed people help the newer players the better they become and the community becomes stronger and bigger and silly racial abuse like above is just not wanted or needed.

Tis great news all round on this subject and is great to see a number of the older players from mcm posting here.

The Bitorrent idea for sharing of tracks is a good idea also.

Lets just hope the next few months flyby and we do get a demo of somekind before the release date.

Also it does seem with a lot of newer games now that the online play is within the game itself ie own chat server as we have all said gamespy is not the best thing since sliced bread far from it..Hopefully this will be the same.

Quote from: AUS_Twisted on December 03, 2005, 06:23:56 AM
Bring on TAG BALLS! LMAO

(http://www.members.optushome.com.au/twisteddesigns/pics/oc_tag.jpg)

Damn do you ever clean out your PC and delte stuff? LMAO

I got to figure out how to work in CS2 again. I've been Photography Brainwashed to use levels and curves all the time.  :P I'm excited to see a new improved looking game and the editer is just sweet.
Mike

Quote from: OCR_ocicide on December 02, 2005, 10:06:28 PM

Quote from: VMX_SKYmx99 on December 02, 2005, 05:55:10 PM
All of the MCM greats are coming outta the woodwork.  Lets see if Tnarg and 51 start making tracks again. :P

Ill get  ahold of Nargie and his brother Smenthy, been a few months now since i have talked to him (narg) but im sure he will be pretty stoked on this. A lot of the old crew im sure will be back in action......

OMG, I remember Narg from the old ERT days :D back when i was ERT_FastDude88 :D Then PRM_REPTILE and now MMS_Kawa again

Quote from: Mikemach on December 03, 2005, 10:11:54 AM

Quote from: AUS_Twisted on December 03, 2005, 06:23:56 AM
Bring on TAG BALLS! LMAO

Damn do you ever clean out your PC and delte stuff? LMAO

I got to figure out how to work in CS2 again. I've been Photography Brainwashed to use levels and curves all the time. :P I'm excited to see a new improved looking game and the editer is just sweet.
Mike

Actually, GHETTO took the pic and a few of us had it, I lost it and OC posted it awhile back and so I resaved it lol.

*#*#* man, I remember one of the 8 mains with 8 players we had in the Zech sx, and GHETTOxFABULOUS was freakin flying along with Kent (Cobra), Jason (MrMoto) and X_Budderbean, I wonder where Budder went ???

That was back in my sligtly noobier days :P

I sorta wish it was just going to be MX, the tournaments with this will have to be split among vehicles, owell.

Anyone know what happend to the MVM guys?  One of the dudes was a quadrapalegic but was probably one of the top 5 stunters of mcm1 and mcm2.  MVM_NoWalker I think was his name?  Good guy!  Remember his hoochie site?  Loved that *#*#*!

BTW, this is CrazyThug, I was around during the start of mcm1 and played mcm2 for a couple years.  I'm sure nobody remembers hehe.

When creating tracks theres a option in the editor to select what vehicles are allowed on the track.

But it will be to obvious if someone selects something else other then a MX bike when the rules state MX bikes only etc.

I hope ATV's cant keep up with a MX bike on a SX track, they would have no chance in hell if compared in real.

The main thing im worried about is the multiplayer code. I really hope it is lag free so we can utilize the bike physics during multiplayer races (block passes and what not). Would be awesome if they set up deticated servers, and also more than 8 riders per race.

I have never played MAU, but i know ATV offroad 2 had rider cams. I dont think MAU has rider cams, but it would be awesome (think, rider cam only tournaments!)

I never would have expected to be returning to 2 wheels but all this enthusiasm is catching  :o

I'll be looking out for this one now too and maybe see a few old buds :)



hi to those who know me  :D

Hi bud  ;D  long time no see.  talk about a reuniun party on the release date hehe  so hows things Bo.

Ian.

Yo Ian bro... Thanks for the Xmas Lights email, was funny as hell...

Aint spoken to yas since I gave up mcm2.. got my own house and a Fiancee now bro :D

How about you... how u doing?

this is pretty awesome news.... not sure i want a demo to come out.... it will either suck and put loads of people off.... or be totally awesome which will make the wait for the whole game almost unbearable....  altho its pretty close to being unbearable atm anyway  :o

im good man thankx, glad to here your doing good,  should be a fun new start once the games here.
im off for the weekend catch ya when im back.

Ian.

MVA has a rider cam.  I'm curious about how the whole online aspect is implemented. I for one would prefer to not restrict what vehicles can ride on a track as a track maker.  I'd rather restrict it as a host.

Along those lines, have you ever taken the other vehicles in MVA for a ride on the SX track.  There is nothing like ghost racing with the sand rail on an SX. :)

Bruce

Quote from: cR on December 03, 2005, 07:41:29 AM

Quote from: v_hoOk~ on December 03, 2005, 06:07:23 AM
but does anyone else realize the new community that will be coming? CHOCK FULL of new NEWBS!

I hope that doesn't mean *#*#*loads of 'stupid' frech *#*#*... they keep *#*#* up mcmfactory..lets not mention the new sites that definitly will come... meh :P

u know, i totally agree, the french can go die, they just need to keep out of some *#*#*... lol

(http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/582/582884/mx-vs-atv-unleashed-20050126024756664.jpg)

Attention Rainbow,  you need to make a edit......

(http://www.racerxill.com/images/news/medium/0000000146.jpeg)

;D

I also see ALOT of old names, this is really awesome man.

My god, this is a big story... everyday 1 or 2 pages to see lol.

damnit I cant wait.


will we beable to have custom soundtracks ???

yes, open windows media player in the background...  :-*

^^^ hehe

MXU only had split screen right?

Quote from: BoNalls on November 30, 2005, 09:58:03 PM
Paul, any idea on what multiplayer code they are using? (hoping its not DX!!!!!!!). I want to have 20 person motos!!!! I think MVA only allows for 12 riders or something..... i forget what MXU allows for.

MXU only had split screen for 2 players right?

 ::)

Tag is fun, your eyes are just not open yet :P

The more events the more fun, right?  ;D

Wow, this thread is getting big.  Hello, guys from Toronto!  Gonna check out the Supercross tonight, I can't wait.

I think the game will have everything (other than Tag and stuff) in it.  I can't imagine them taking steps backwards, at least from MX vs. ATV.  I have a few concerns,about online multiplayer and anti-cheat stuff.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Again, like ElDiablo said and would like to stress also to everyone. BUY the game, don't pirate it! Show your support!
If they make money, maybe then we won't have to wait another 6 years for another game!

If all goes well, we'll see this puppy on a yearly basis!! Maybe not, who knows.  Rainbow will look at the bottom line, and ask themselves.."Did we make money?"...If the answer is yes, then we are in luck.  If not, then we tried to show them our support.

I'm really hoping alot of the real (mcm1) OGs (I can't believe I just said that!) track-makin' gang comes back...like Racin' Joe, DaveU, just to name a couple.  And the new MCM2 OGs....man  those were the days folks!  With this new physics engine, and rag doll racer...old tracks should be a blast to take a spin on!

I personally, am gonna re-release the old Cameron Graphics tracks.  Maybe those Six2Studios tracks too! We'll see....still thinking about re-opening MCM2 Central...torrents seem to be the way to go!

Your thoughts?

Ya Steve...I think (like we talked about on the phone) the torrents maybe in combination with the option to pay for faster downloads might wind up being the way to go. That way...if you don't pay...you download torrents...and can still get all the tracks (it'll just take longer) or if you want to pay to help support the site...then you could download fast just like MCM Factory does now.

I think that's the best way to cut bandwidth costs and still have a site that everyone can enjoy (wether they choose to or can support the site or not).

As for the review system. I think that needs some revamping from the way it used to work. First of all...I think it would be advantageous to limit the number of people who can review and maybe you'd do that by saying only people who support the site can review. I for one WILL be supporting the site in any way that I can. I'm sure there's a few others.

You might want to approach some of the more respected MCM Factory reviewers (Ratax, GREEN_Rapidkey, Jagermeister, OTHG_Gospelboy2, Spodeboy, kxkrazyman821, B2R_Stingray, Garasaki, Mk7Bultaco, etc...) and see how many of them would like to be reviewers.

I think it should be open for anyone to post comments/mini-reviews. C'mon, freedom of speech, people! For the respected reviewers, what about an invite-only site (MVA-reviews.com?) with the "definitive reviews"...

I really don't like the idea of bittorrent 'cuz my network blocks it but I guess that's just too bad... However I liked the idea that creators can download for free ;) That would definitely drag me back out the woodwork....

~Loz

I'm not a big fan of bittorrent.  I don't use it and won't.  I prefer to download stuff from respected sites that I trust.  I won't download stuff from any random computer.  I also won't randomly host stuff from my workstation.

I think we would be much better off creating a network of hosts that provide the bandwidth.  I don't know off the top of my head the best way to do that, but there has to be a fairly simple way to provide what I would call transparent mirrors.  Sort of a trusted mini bittorrent.

Somthing like this or any similar tool that can be configured so that it doesn't serve from your workstation and the list of hosts can be controlled by the user:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/File-Sharing/Phex.shtml


Bruce

word to that, torrent site is retarded i think, just makes *#*#* wayyyy more complicated, and something newbs can complain about, and paying is also retarded, i wont do either, i dont mean to be a dick, but seriously, expecting from people is stupid, if u want the scene ALIVE dont complicate things, torrents suck, theyre not always sucessful, and u can get siht of ur comp from em. stressing donations is good, MAYBE for a low price like 5 dollars a year, and you get your track and skin SHOWN ON THE MAIN PAGE, and if u dont register, u get on a not featured page, or blah blah.....

hehe funny we aint even seen the game yet just  a few screens and we are all on about bandwidth issues, but i can understand why..

1) Would be nice to know if MCMFACTORY is gonna support this

2_same goes for MDX RACING

3) One thing i would suggest is that all the hosting sites, make sure that only REGISTERED users can d/l tracks, but in addition to that no freeweb mail is allowed to regsiter with, ie ya hotmails yahoo gmail etc. Must be your ISP email.. This does cut down on the ppl regsitering with like 38 names etc etc..

4) sometimes a review system where ppl can actually type there review be it 50 words or less . is sometimes a downfall as you do get the how can i say ummm less favorable reviews, even when it hasnt been ridden, justa  simple points score  is sometimes better,of course that is also open to abuse , but it does save the bad mouthing etc.

5) you could make a site like most of the larger demo sites with a subscription for fast instant access d/l... and then a public mirror with only so many slots and on a much slower pipe. the slower pipe of course could only transfer X amount of data per day .at least the the costs are controlled, and the faster instant access should be covered by the subscriptions.

in addition to the above we also dont know who else ie new ppl may arrive just like we all did years ago and want to become a hosting site.

westy

im pumped for this game here r a few images i found http://media.pc.ign.com/media/787/787367/imgs_1.html

Is there anything known on the system requirements? because i feel my computer may not be up to standards so i may have to either upgrade my computer or buy a new one.

I've said before, if it plays on a console it should play well on your PC.  If it doesn't then there is something wrong with your PC. 

At a minimum when playing games on PC's you should have an AGP video card.  If you have an AGP video card (not built into the motherboard) than I don't think you should have a problem.   The shared memory video built into motherboards are usually low end and could not be up to snuff for decent performance.   My wife's 2.8 ghz P4 is a dog with it's motherboard based video card.  It can't even get a 6000 in the 3DMark2001 SE benchmark.  While my daughter's old AMD 1700+ with an ATI 9000 pro video card plays most games fine.

Bruce

what we need is turtlesroostway to come back :p

Oh man, that would be so awesome.  That was my fav MCM2 site.

lots of stuff going on aroun here :). ill have to pick this up when it comes out

Ahhh Roostway. Legitimate track contests.....SNAP OUT OF IT!

On the torrent issue, may I just add that someone with dialup will not be able to properly seed their track file as no one will want to dl off of them.

Also, with so many dedicated creators/supporters coming back I think funding will be less of an issue than we think. I know of sites that have a donation meter for every month to remind people of how far it is to the goal. To know that there is a constant threat of the site not being funded & shutting down is usually enough to get people's asses in gear.

I would definitely support a new site with donations and defitely am willing to offer my time in helping. If someone can get a solid plan for a site in place we can start accepting donations from the hardcore folks right away....Just a thought.

Lets get one thing straight, will this be a free game (besided paying for it at the shop, you dont have to pay on going fee's to play online) Most of the new games cost money to play online.

track downloads is the exact thing that Bittorrent was designed for..... mass distribution of LEGAL files saving on server reliability and bandwidth costs.....
as long as people seed 1:1 on any track they download, the system works fine.... the RIAA or the MPAA aren't gonna be after you coz you are uploading LEGAL material.... i think maybe have a ratio system in place so that if you aren't at 1:1... you have to wait a certain time before you can download the newer tracks.... at only a 'estimated' 15mb each.... shouldn't be too hard to maintain 1:1....

then phaps a donation system whereby if you donate, you can have any ratio you want and still be able to download, or maybe access to a private server link....

i think as long as the track sites work together, ANY system could work.... its just that when its just one site taking all the hits.... it doesn't last for long

Well...the idea of having bittorrent AND faster (pay) downloads was presented to me in the line of creators UPLOADING (as in the old days of MCM Central) and the script would create the SEED. Then the site would have control (depending on wether or not you were a supporter) over wether you had to download by torrent or directly (fast).

Before you guys go 'stonewall' against any idea that saves bandwidth AND money for the proposed site, keep this in mind. Nobody HAS to create a site at all, and nobody has committed to do so yet! What Kam asked for was ideas on how this all would work...not how you wouldn't participate because he used torrents...if you can't provide an alternative then leave the negativity out please.

I like the idea also of the slower mirrors for non-supporters. Very good stuff. Lets keep the POSITIVE ideas flowing and keep this conversation up-beat.  ;)

We probably should have a new thread to discuss the bandwidth problem/solutions that are community has.  People do need to understand that BitTorrent is a consumer of your personal bandwidth.  How many people have complained about their online performance while playing MCM 2 and the problem is the stuff that others are downloading from your computer (Kazaa, Napster, Morpheus, xTorrent, etc.)

Quote from BitTorrent's official web site.

QuoteI don't want you stealing my bandwidth! How can I stop it from uploading?

You could hack the source to not upload, but then your download rate would suck. BitTorrent downloaders engage in tit-for-tat with their peers, so leeches have very little success downloading.

I think our solution should be a pool of willing sources, without forcing the downloaders to become hosts.

Bruce

I think the bitorrent is a good idea, for sure.

I know there are some doubts that people would donate, but I for one will donate and pay a yearly service for sure/ And thats cool, cause Im one of the cheapest bastards around. Be proud

It would be really awesome if the dev's open up the game engine so modders can build upon it, like with counterstrike, doom, etc...... HINT   HINT
;D ;D
Look how long counterstrike has been around. I know our community may not be quite as big(probably not even close), I know its wishful thinkng.:'(

I can only imagine the possibilities with all the talent here at TD...........

Quote from: v_hoOk~ on December 03, 2005, 03:16:18 PM

Quote from: cR on December 03, 2005, 07:41:29 AM

Quote from: v_hoOk~ on December 03, 2005, 06:07:23 AM
but does anyone else realize the new community that will be coming? CHOCK FULL of new NEWBS!

I hope that doesn't mean *#*#*loads of 'stupid' frech *#*#*... they keep *#*#* up mcmfactory..lets not mention the new sites that definitly will come... meh :P

u know, i totally agree, the french can go die, they just need to keep out of some *#*#*... lol

Thanks for all of us loving this game and his community...

was talking to Nesc on msn, he said that MVA MP is only going to allow for 6 riders max????  >:(

ummmmmmmmmm if you can read the site it was posted on i think its ign it says up to 8 racers can get dirty online.

read this post of mine

how long do you think the community will last when you have to pay for downloads or have to have your bandwidth SUCKED DRY by a torrent site, its crap, your killing it more than making it better....    its just another HUGE step for everyone to say, well, screw that, im not payin, or yeah, i think i can hold out and not get that track, ill just play mcm2.... and all the newbs you will turn away? they wont know how to expirienve MVA to its full potential because they will shy away from DOWNlOADING TRACKS. i really think you should get the paying idea out of your head, and just keep the option of donations and mirrors. Im sorry i have nothing to give or help out with money, but i wish the best of luck, im all for a good site for MVA but what your proposing isnt good enough i think.

Word to hook.

I dont play ANY online games for pc or consoles only cause I dont want to shell out more money when I already payed 50 damn bucks for it.

Hey guys i use to play online a lot (cwb_robyzf) i think was my screen name ...anyway this is awesome news i can't wait to play it and its cool seeing old names again ...i remember twisted really good

Hmm can't factory just be converted? And wasn't the owner of mcmfactory owner of Floogy? He got tons of HDD space and bandwich :P If people just will continue donating so he doesn't make alot off losses that would work right?

I think for track and skin creators etc, the upload page which has all the information about your track etc should also have a post your own link/links to your zip files or your own website link that hosts the files. I've always had all my tracks uploaded on my cables ISP server that are posted on my website which always comes in handy if people are having problems downloading from the main sites and it also spreads the bandwidth around some.

I'm sure if track creators wanted there tracks to be downloaded and help share the bandwidth around it shouldn't be to hard to find there own small webspace as a alternate. Usualy most ISP's offer a small amount of free webspace which can be used when the track is new and deleted later on if you dont have enough space to upload a new track.

Hey Rob, I remember you and think I still have that skin I put your name on for you which was left in a folder from years back along with other peoples lol.

Quote from: v_hoOk~ on December 05, 2005, 02:19:15 AM
read this post of mine

how long do you think the community will last when you have to pay for downloads or have to have your bandwidth SUCKED DRY by a torrent site, its crap, your killing it more than making it better....    its just another HUGE step for everyone to say, well, screw that, im not payin, or yeah, i think i can hold out and not get that track, ill just play mcm2.... and all the newbs you will turn away? they wont know how to expirienve MVA to its full potential because they will shy away from DOWNlOADING TRACKS. i really think you should get the paying idea out of your head, and just keep the option of donations and mirrors. Im sorry i have nothing to give or help out with money, but i wish the best of luck, im all for a good site for MVA but what your proposing isnt good enough i think.

See my idea, would it be reasonable to you?

yah, sounds good to me, i like that 300 crap there , nice idea

AUS_Twisted, that's a great idea! That can easily be added.
Noted.
Kam

i see out there some other games that the track makers upload they tracks for they owne site and then upload the track pic , link and some coments to a site where people go to get them , as Twisted sayd , i think is good, if people search on the net they will find some sites that give 100mb´s for that (or more maybe) but the only problem that i have see on other games is that after some time some links start be donw and we cant get the tracks if we dont dwl on the 1º or 2º week (vacations or other that we are out of net) , well the solution is go to the site (MXa tracks site) and see what we want dwl and if the site is down we have to ask a friend to send us the tracks.
I think its a good solution but with this bad thing but im sure if anyone want a track and the link is down people will send it without problem.

As a read before here, i think the best is that thing of some pc with a big hard drive conneted to the net and people go to there by the link of MXa track dwls site and dwl from that pc (the pc need to be on 24h\24h , my internet company doesn´t alow me to do that , but im sure some other one alows that or im worng?
whith that thing its almost free since who do that just have to pay the internet connection ? (or im worng here? )
Dont know alot about this but i think this is the best way.
If this way dont work i would like know why ?

Ty
ohh and a demo before xmax whould be cooll with online races since game just go out on february hum!!!?  ;D

demo with just one national or sx would be cool.. for online

Quote from: AUS_Twisted on December 05, 2005, 07:25:05 AM
I think for track and skin creators etc, the upload page which has all the information about your track etc should also have a post your own link/links to your zip files or your own website link that hosts the files. I've always had all my tracks uploaded on my cables ISP server that are posted on my website which always comes in handy if people are having problems downloading from the main sites and it also spreads the bandwidth around some.

I'm sure if track creators wanted there tracks to be downloaded and help share the bandwidth around it shouldn't be to hard to find there own small webspace as a alternate. Usualy most ISP's offer a small amount of free webspace which can be used when the track is new and deleted later on if you dont have enough space to upload a new track.

Hey Rob, I remember you and think I still have that skin I put your name on for you which was left in a folder from years back along with other peoples lol.

HAHA thats cool and yeah i got that gear from you thanks again ...this game has me exited i can't wait to race with you all online again ....does anyone know when this game maybe released?

I don't think there is any one solution to the bandwidth problem, but probably a mix of everything mentioned above should be the way to go.  I can understand how those that aren't working or on a tight budget (or just cheap! :) ) won't want to fork out any cash.  There should be a solution for them, even if it means slower downloads or somewhat flakey links.  For the guys that have a few bucks to spare, maybe "membership" sites are an option to have really fast downloads.

As mentioned above, I think all track creators that can afford it should consider some kind of web space for their own stuff.  There's no better way to assure that your creations will stay around unless you make the effort to put them up on the web yourself.  I know I'm spending about $200 bucks a year supporting two sites that do nothing but provide free tracks and utilities to the community.  I'm sure this is way cheap in comparison to what Scott (X_xracer) pays for TD.  He's been paying it for years now with almost no monitary support and never complains.  After a while it's just something you do without even thinking about it.  Unfortunately not everyone out there realizes this and appreciates that what it takes for them to "get it for free".

I don't think I'll be going for the torrent thing but that's not to say that it won't work for others.  I think we should keep a lot of options open so people can pick and choose what's comfortable for them.

Jeff

If we go with Twisted's idea, we'll need a site like Garagedog's links site so tracks are still easy to find after they've been deleted.

With your own provided links in the track info you could use your own webspace link, a bit torrent link and plus the website download link thats hosting the track info etc if that happens aswell.

All 3 options above could be used for 1 track and if the main website goes with a yearly payment for it's members that can download straight from the server, the non paying members still have the other 2 options of downloading the tracks providing the track creators upload and post the seperate links for the track. If track creaters care so much about their tracks and want them to be played by everyone then I'm sure they can take the time to provide some extra download links.

Also for track creators etc, a edit option by the (creator/uploader) only to update the track infomation page with new or delete non working links would help a lot aswell, just think of it like a forum post where you can manage your picture attatchments or edit info etc. It would also save time for the website moderators not having to change the info or fix problems done by the creators that have happend so many times in the past, just look at Factory for example.

The people who have mentioned MCMfactory have a point in that it is a solution that is already in place. We really should be in contact with Madmac about what his bandwidth limits are and whether he is willing to take on a project like hosting MVA content. I'm sure this would still involve a lot of work but it seems to make some sense.

Also, IMO Central was a great host for the very large community we used to have. I'd love to see any new site follow a similar format in layout and functions.

Also really like Twisted's idea of self-hosting as a supplement. I know a lot of fools with their own space that wouldn't mind hosting themselves.

i have just recently got a job (im only 15) so it would be tough for me to afford bandwidth and stuff but if i can get my hands on a cheap comp and im supposably getting dsl soon i can make a myhttp.com acount and mabye get a sponsor or something to provide me with a domain.  a 150 to 400 gb hard drive should be more then enough tell me what u think.

oh and if i do come across a comp and am able to set one up i would need some help with the website to set up uploads and stuff like that

Seems to be a bucket load of misconceptions about using torrents, It does not steal your bandwidth, You set it up exactly how you wish, You can set the upload/download speed, amount of connections, simply remove the file from the list so its no longer shared, or close the program and launch it later when your not playing the game online in order to share the file for awhile. It would only take a few minutes to get a 1.1 ratio.

The files themselves are defined by the tracker, So its not random files, its controlled distribution, There is no more chance of getting a dodgy file then there is of getting one from any site hosting files.

And I can’t see anyone saying it should be the only solution, If you can't comprehend how it works or simply prefer other methods then do whatever suits, That doesn't make Torrents a bad idea, and it certainly isn't in the same realm as scumware like Kazza.

It is however a fast and efficient distribution method for files and it shares the load for those that wish to leave the program running for a few minutes, or in my case I seed files for at least a 24 hour period before removing them from the program.

That's exactly what is meant by stealing your bandwidth.  In order for it to work properly with reasonable speed you need to be serving files.  The data leaving your computer is what is referred to as "stolen bandwidth".  It's fine if you want to do that.

I never want to do that.

Bruce

Contributing, not stealing. ;D

And if the eventual track hub for the new game has torrent capabilities then I will most certainly try that method first,and as such contribute to sharing the load rather then just suck off somebodies server.

There is only a consequence for not sharing if it is regulated that way. Many sites have no sharing requirement.

Of course the idea is that everyone shares as much or more as they DL and I see no problem in a system of 'whats fair is fair'. Why not let people steal your bandwidth if it isn't being used? Like he said, shut down your client when you need the bandwidth, start it when you don't.

ya but for the ppl on dialup they might be in the middle of a download ah they need the bandwidth bang ur download is ruined.  torrent is *#*#* if u ask me.

Well...if you guys are opposed to Bittorrents then the solution is simple....DON'T USE THEM!

The reality of the situation is this...IF Central goes back up it will support ONLY MX vs ATV files (depending on what those are...it's not clear wether skins will be possible with the new game). IF Central goes back up it will most likely take advantage of ALL the solutions mentioned here. So you guys that don't like torrents won't HAVE to use them. You other guys that prefer downloading from mirrors (slower or bandwidth limited FREE links) can go that way AND you guys that want and can afford to support the community can pay for fast downloads up to 500kbps. Then you CREATORS who want to host your own tracks can post links to them on the site and thereby take the bandwidth load off of the website.

In other words...EVERYONE's suggestions have been good and none of them could be ignored...so all of them would be used. That should make EVERYONE happy!

;D

Yeah CR, I mentioned that earlier. Just getting the facts straight is all.

well said ElDiablo ;D

You can limit your upload speed to 3kb/sec with Bit Tornado, not sure about the other torrent clients. But 3kb/sec should work no problem on dialup aswell allowing you to still download at a faster speed.

Hmmmm.....I found Torrents unusable on dialup, no matter how I configured the connection and sharing parameters. Imo it’s not of much use to people on Dial-up....

Azureus would be my recommendation.

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/

This is definately a great post... I find it even better that old names are coming out of the wood work. I remember all of you from MCM1, but maybe we should bring back that post of what our names were back in the MCM1 days because I'm sure you old folks will be making a stand again.

All this talk about a new game with the same familiar faces just makes me want to wet myself.

I have a suggestion I'm not sure was presented yet. Since we have some time before the release and there is talks of Central coming back up... how about we start a PayPal account for 'MXUCentral'. That way we can start a fund and have some monopoly money for kicking site?
I got a 50 spot if someone wants to setup a account and manage it.

-Moto

How about a website like MCM Factory but with 2 types of accounts:

1. Free account, you can upload a track and if it hits 300 downloads you get a new upload.

2. Payed account, you can upload a track and if it hits 150 downloads you get a new upload.

Something like that... or work with credits...

Uploading a track or skin costs for example 10 credits for each 5MB, you can get credits by letting people join using a personal id link or call a number on the phone or sms... but that's gonna be hard setting up international...

any form of torrent is BANNED from my University...... not sure how it is for other colleges out there.

Aswell as P2P programs. Only thing i am able to use is MyTunes Reflux to download songs, which is based off of a WAN.

Well, this is a TRIP...
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I look forward to tracks made specifically for the trucks and buggies - that could be pretty cool!  Anyway - there are a TON of killer objects already in the game and if they can ALL be used w/ the editor, that would ROCK!  I know you guys will make some killer tracks!

Geeze, I wish I had more time... 
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Xfire.com - DEVS are very flexible and "forward thinking...  Xfire is "the GAMERz IM'er" - I'm pretty sure it has peer to peer file sharing, cue-ing & suspending / resuming of DL's [while / after] you PLAY a game or RACE. 

It even has in game voice chat + MANY other options & stats of your games & hours spent in game, etc.  

Maybe it can be tweaked for this community?

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Some other ideas:  How about a TD "SUBSCRIBER" status w/ a optional pay system for DL's like FilePlanet?  Maybe it would allow only 10 tracks / 150 mb's per month FREE via DL - and 30 a month to subscribers, etc.  FREE users can search for more tracks via peer to peer or from the creators sites - which are listed in thier profiles! 

I hope there will be a "TOP TRACK" ranking system like we discussed right here a while back:
It would be generated by a list of favorites the users and track creators maintain in their profile!

Top 50 Voting SYSTEM
http://dirttwister.com/smf/index.php?topic=505.0

~~~~ MCM-2 ~~ on my ~~ 32" LCD TV ~~~~
(http://troysweb.com/files/MCM2_400pix.jpg)

More pics:  http://troysweb.com/apps/gallery/32-LCD-TV-Westinghouse

well i for one will be uploading my tracks to my personal space and mabye the website built can have an option a full upload link so that when u click on the download button it acts like its being download right from site only link is the personal link site.  and the option of a direct file upload.  If im able to get a few extra bucks il be donating when i can.  but im not sure do they issue paypal to 15 year olds i always thought its 18 and older.

Guys you are killing this game before it has been released. Nobody is going to pay money to use a website, it will just turn people away from the game, torrents is also out of the question as the majority of people cant use it. The only real way is the normal way eg. www.mcmfactory.com, i know its expenisive to run but someone has to do it and its the  only way mcm2 is still hanging on by its last leg. If mcmfactory cost money to use it mcm2 would have complety died a few years back. If you want to do it another way what was posted above is by, having the track pic on one page and then the track maker upload it to a free upload site eg. www.filefront.com, www.filefactory.com etc.

I was just looking at filefront.com and they actually have upload slots for games here mcm2's. http://software.filefront.com/Motocross+Madness+2_Information/;402;/software_information.html  ...... This could work???

Free registration for file front, here is what you get for free membership www.fastpass.filefront.com

As much as this topic is getting worn and torn before the issue is an issue...three points

1) I would support advertising as a source of funds, much as Central did.

2) Bandwidth limiting could work. The tracks that will leech the most bandwidth are made by dedicated creators, who are connected with many in the community. These people tend to have personal web space or can borrow some from buds they know. If anyone who could were to post a seperate link it would relieve the server load and hopefully keep the normal DL wait time to a minimum.

3) It's incredibly important that we have a good track sharing system in place and a good attitude as new folks join the community and as vets rejoin. Without this there won't be much of a reason for them to stay. I was drawn to MCM2 because of these things. Let's not get too caught up in the tech though!  :)

Quote from: RRC_OiLbUrNeR on December 08, 2005, 07:29:00 AM
Guys you are killing this game before it has been released. Nobody is going to pay money to use a website, it will just turn people away from the game, torrents is also out of the question as the majority of people cant use it.

Obviously you didn't take the time to READ what has been posted so far...because people are saying (quite clearly) that all of the solutions that we have mentioned (and you have mentioned) would work for them. Killing the game? How about YOU make a website and YOU pay the bill to host it? A bit EXTREME there buddy! ::)

We are here BRAINSTORMING and trying to cover ALL bases to create a website so YOU (and the rest of the community) can play this NEW game. The only people KILLING the game are people moaning about the pay option. Like I said before...if that option doesn't work for YOU...DON'T USE IT! There are STILL the FREE options...if they are a bit slower (aka the OLD Central), well either DEAL with it...or pony up some FLOW and pay for faster downloads.  :o

Quote from: ElDiablo on December 08, 2005, 02:46:15 PM

Quote from: RRC_OiLbUrNeR on December 08, 2005, 07:29:00 AM
Guys you are killing this game before it has been released. Nobody is going to pay money to use a website, it will just turn people away from the game, torrents is also out of the question as the majority of people cant use it.

Obviously you didn't take the time to READ what has been posted so far...because people are saying (quite clearly) that all of the solutions that we have mentioned (and you have mentioned) would work for them. Killing the game? How about YOU make a website and YOU pay the bill to host it? A bit EXTREME there buddy! ::)

We are here BRAINSTORMING and trying to cover ALL bases to create a website so YOU (and the rest of the community) can play this NEW game. The only people KILLING the game are people moaning about the pay option. Like I said before...if that option doesn't work for YOU...DON'T USE IT! There are STILL the FREE options...if they are a bit slower (aka the OLD Central), well either DEAL with it...or pony up some FLOW and pay for faster downloads. :o

Well said Paul.

Pete

Well said Paul

This Game going to be Sweeet

Quote from: ElDiablo on December 08, 2005, 02:46:15 PM

Quote from: RRC_OiLbUrNeR on December 08, 2005, 07:29:00 AM
Guys you are killing this game before it has been released. Nobody is going to pay money to use a website, it will just turn people away from the game, torrents is also out of the question as the majority of people cant use it.

Obviously you didn't take the time to READ what has been posted so far...because people are saying (quite clearly) that all of the solutions that we have mentioned (and you have mentioned) would work for them. Killing the game? How about YOU make a website and YOU pay the bill to host it? A bit EXTREME there buddy! ::)

We are here BRAINSTORMING and trying to cover ALL bases to create a website so YOU (and the rest of the community) can play this NEW game. The only people KILLING the game are people moaning about the pay option. Like I said before...if that option doesn't work for YOU...DON'T USE IT! There are STILL the FREE options...if they are a bit slower (aka the OLD Central), well either DEAL with it...or pony up some FLOW and pay for faster downloads.  :o

Good man.

As I always liked to say, *#*#* or get off the pot!

Sorry if its already posted somewhere, do u know this team/Website ?

http://www.krimrecords.com/mxvsatv/index.php

think thats FKM_Kriminal ... stunt tagger thats always on the zone :)

hey i was lookin at some web servers and i came across this http://www.canaca.com/ lowest price is 3.95$ for 20 gbs  7.95 for 40 gbs and 16.95 for 60 gbs not sure if that would work but just trying to help.  Ill keep my eye out

Quote from: MMS_iLLo on December 08, 2005, 11:53:02 PM
think thats FKM_Kriminal ... stunt tagger thats always on the zone :)

hes EID_Kriminal, he races quite alot also, hes getting the tag map makers together and making some sort of track creation team i believe.

Quote from: Green_CRrider2 on December 09, 2005, 12:09:22 AM
hey i was lookin at some web servers and i came across this http://www.canaca.com/ lowest price is 3.95$ for 20 gbs  7.95 for 40 gbs and 16.95 for 60 gbs not sure if that would work but just trying to help.  Ill keep my eye out

if that sites not a scam thats gonna be a good thing we could use :D

Quote from: Green_CRrider2 on December 09, 2005, 12:09:22 AM
hey i was lookin at some web servers and i came across this http://www.canaca.com/ lowest price is 3.95$ for 20 gbs 7.95 for 40 gbs and 16.95 for 60 gbs not sure if that would work but just trying to help. Ill keep my eye out

DO NOT GO WITH CANACA

Sorry but I cannot stress this enough. A website owned by a couple guys i know recently went into debt of nearly $4000 because of overused bandwidth. The reason being, Canaca increased their extra bandwidth charge by 1200%(yep, from 50p to $6 per GB I think) And did not actually give any notice of this.

Just warning anyone that would want a host. Thanks for looking tho CR :)

If anyone does decide to host an independant site like mcm2central.com, I will donate simply because it is keeping this game alive. A game that has completely changed my life.

I don't like the idea of pay-per-play. I feel that if people really want to help out they will donate. I am willing to be generous.

I was justing looking at one of my hosting plans.

I have bandwidth to spare. I'd be willing to offer a mirror.

Quote from: VMX_Burn on December 09, 2005, 02:13:56 AMdon't like the idea of pay-per-play. I feel that if people really want to help out they will donate. I am willing to be generous.

Exactly what I was thinking. This community is very close niche compared to say, Quake or UnReal. With that I'd say comes a better crowd. I would almost cry if I saw Central come back to life. Why? Because it's been around since the beginning days and still operated by the same familiar faces. My money will feel comfortable spent there. Aside from the few screw off's this community has encountered, I'd say you all are OK in my books.  :D

So how about this PayPal account idea? Yay or Nay?

=Moto

It sounds like a good idea to me to help raise some start-up capitol...or maybe even to help facilitate paying for the faster downloads once the site gets up and running. But I think that Kamshaft is gonna have to be the one to set it up, since he's the guy paying for webspace/bandwidth.

If it costs money to download I WONT use the service
Thanks.

Quote from: RRC_OiLbUrNeR on December 09, 2005, 09:44:03 AM
If it costs money to download I WONT use the service
Thanks.

Well noone is saying you have to,all the posts here are for suggestions to help with a possible bandwidth issue (that does cost money) so the entire thread is showing what people are prepared to donate a few bucks to help (if its needed) .

Please dont forget that even Factory and TTM have and did have donations links im guessing you didnt and WILL not donate to those sites either and again that is your choice,but some people here realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and if your enjoy using something here and there its no hardship to donate something.

Basically its like pay for view TV you dont pay you dont watch simple as that,but as has been said much earlier and a few more times in this thread that maybe a site would be free for all, but with much slower download speeds but with the option of a donations/member link for say FTP access to a faster pipe.

Also as Twisted mentioned he has his tracks on his own ISP service for ppl to d/l if needed,and as far as i can recall most TEAM sites always tryed to host there own creations. which of course is another good idea.


Westy

That is a whole different thing. Donations is fine. And no i still wouldnt donate because im only 16 and thats impossible for me to donate lol. I was reffering to people paying to register to a site and then paying like a yearly fee so you can download tracks etc off the site. IMO that is just stupid and only a few people will do so.

Oh ps, i dont like paying i used to have the chip for foxtel (pay tv), but then it went digital and all the software changed and they say it is now impossible to get pirated foxtel, but we know people who have it and deal with the illegal software tho they want way to much for it. You could pay for foxtel for 3 years and it would still be cheaper then getting your chip and your box. so im stuck with 5 channels ehehe.

Don't know if this has already been asked, but will MXU have anything comparable with stung tag? I will get MXU anyways since I also do Nats and SX as much, but without some acarde "fun" mode like stunt tag, I don't give MXU more than 2 years till it will be dead. Maybe some of you guys will still race in private, but there won't be anything resembling the current mcm2 community left after half a decade. I think most of you underestimate how big the tag community of mcm2 is. I believe there are more teams and sites dedicated to tag than racing. Certainly there are as many good map makers, people like Sneer that mainly played tag. Before you start bashing about tag now, it would help to keep MXU alive alot longer than it would if it is a pure racing game. So if anyone has any idea about the possible multiplayer modes of MXU, I'd like to hear about it.

Some "Tag Sites" left:
http://www.eidteam.com/
http://www.acv-team.com/
http://www.team-xf.com/
http://www.team-vtf.com/
http://www.fastkillers.com/

Tag Teams:
FKM
ACV
EiD
VTF
XF
XpT
_3_ST3PS_
ACV
Avoided
BAm
Dr
FUN4
GR
VCT
RRT
many more...


P.S.
I'm FKM_Mr_X

As far as I know it just has what's in the console games.  I don't know if the console games have tag or not.  I/m sure there must be a mini-game in there that will appeal to the taggers.

A pet peeve of mine on the zone was that there were so many people that would start a room and call it a National or SX room and then switch to tag after they launched.  I can't begin to count the number of times that happened to me.

Bruce

In MXU are alot of mini-games I believe MXvsATV has that to right? So there would be alot of things to do on multiplayer... meybe not tag, but at least some fun stuff :D

i was lookin around and found that server i was talking about that skinman runs njdbr off.  http://www.no-ip.com/  all u need is an always on connection.(mabye another small comp not sure) 

Didn't it say they added a few more mini games for PC?  Maybe long jump or something?

I WILL donate to help out any site that comes up, but I can't do it til after christmas.  I think that is what we need.  Get all the faithful MCM2 guys together and help Kam out. :)

XiXiDu, I think you are a bit confused here. MXU is MX Unleashed. We are talking about MVA which is MX vs ATV Unleashed (two different games).

Quote from: ElDiablo on December 09, 2005, 04:01:23 PM
XiXiDu, I think you are a bit confused here. MXU is MX Unleashed. We are talking about MVA which is MX vs ATV Unleashed (two different games).

:o That's the one I meant! :o Just need to get used to yet another abbreviation :-[

Bikes, ATV's and even monstertrucks? Sounds like a mix of Motocross Madness, Midtown Madness, Monstertruck Madness with a tat of Flat Out (mini games). Let's just hope it's a good one! A realistic motocross simulation with some fun acarde parts.

Way off reply but...
To be honest, I don't see what you like in stunt and also tag ! I agree it's sometimes funny to do something special in the air but playing with other people during a half hour on the same jumps, win some points... blah blah... lol I like to check FMX on tv during 10 minutes, than I check the other channels.
We are all different, what a wonderfull world hehe.
Peace.

phil you answered your own question. We are all different, everyone likes different things. Which is why a MX game needs to cover all the aspects of MX...


I could ride a FMX track in MCM2 all day long, but i cant stand more then 2 laps on a racing track. 

And just so you know, most people dont play FMX For points anymore they play cause its fun to do tricks and jump. Just like it is in real life.

www.martinfmx.com

True.
It's maybe cuz when it was my time to ride, FMX was only a dream.
I remember when the Mc did his first nacnac or superman, it was the revolution  ;)

i wish they could incorporate the fun of trailriding into a mx game. i have fun freeriding and racing in RL, but nothing compares to cutting you own trail through the hills and brush.

That would be so much fun Crash.  I am a MX'er, but trails are so much fun.

Ride some of Mike McCue's tracks.  Some of those are like trailriding.  Especially if you just explore.

If you like to explore ride my track Sunday Ride.  I don't know how many people ever noticed but on my track Sunday Ride you can go off track right after the finish line and follow the arrows.  There are a couple of things to ride on.  I have a ramp that  you have to jump on to ride up to a train trestle.

http://dirttwister.com/mcm2/mytracks.html#SundayRide
http://dirttwister.com/mcm2/td_sundayride_readme.html

Bruce

Ah yes.... I spent countless hours on Sunday Ride. ;)

yes i used to have a few of mike's and fixer's(and yours) tracks and they were quite fun. wish i would have backed them up. know where i can find and of mike's or fixer's? i added all yours to my dap list but id like to get a few of theirs too.

hello

hello?

Thats a rainbow employee. lol

Rob enlighten us. ;)

i'm diggin the idea of a golf cart already :P... oh and twist wouldn't a dedicated server for 20+ people kinda prohibit dial-up users like myself from playing? i know i lagg a bit playing counterstrike..... but have no problem on mcm2

how much are you paying for dial up?

dial up= death

dsl at least man please!!!

i'm paying 9.95 a month. and the thing is i can't get DSL or cable where i live :(

im in the same position slowpoke. i live where i cant get dsl. i could get statilite internet, but its upwards of 50$ a month i think and it doesnt increase upload speed.

im in the same position too im on netzero 995 a month but we are getting verizon phone line and they promised us that it would be up soon its only a mile up the road from my house.  Getting dsl soon.  PS. I would rather live out in the country wide open spaces then have a very good internet connection.

i have 40 acres.... and the dsl line is sitting at the end of my driveway... but stupid qwest won't extend the line 50' to my house

Quote from: VMX_Slowpoke2 on December 11, 2005, 05:21:05 AM
i have 40 acres.... and the dsl line is sitting at the end of my driveway... but stupid qwest won't extend the line 50' to my house

Looks like you need to go build a shack by the road big enough for a computer and a mini fridge so you can reep those DSL needs.  ;D

Weird to see some people doesn't have dsl, we are at the end of 2005 ! It's not your fault, I know, but the providers must work more for you guys.

i had this problem like 2 and a 1/2 years ago. There was a site where ppl could sign up and say that wanted to get broadband. If they got a certain amount they would get it activated where you live. Get all your mates to sign up, get the phonebook up and sign up your neighbours

i live 40 miles from the nearest town, on 20 acres, so my chances of dsl are very slim.
perk though is i get to have my own mx track, and i can trail ride straight from my house to anywhere i want :)
its worth it

ya thats the same i got a mx track in my backyard i got 50 acres of trail riding i ride to my grandfathers house cousines friends and all from my trails.

i have the state trail running through my back yard :P

Yep i would rather live on property or in the bush instead of having broadband GET A LIFE and do somthing. I am in Aus and of course there is more property then houses. Tho i still have to ride on the road to get to the bush but soon as i enter, there is never ending trails it just keeps going and going. I live on the NSW coast and where i am it is classified as country/surf. But i still have broadband lol. If i lived in the city eg. sydney or new york were this is only cars and tall building i would kill my self.

Man I lived between acres to... had my own mx track behind the house... damn i miss that time... but those fools expended this city there so they had to take down that house and now theres a road going over it :(

Anyways, isn't this going off topic a bit? :P

You guys just wait untill my helmet camera arrives, Then you will see some good old fashioned high speed death defing trail riding on New Zealand hill country.....

Quote from: Metla666 on December 13, 2005, 10:37:56 AM
You guys just wait untill my helmet camera arrives, Then you will see some good old fashioned high speed death defing trail riding on New Zealand hill country.....

Did you ever notice how guys with helmet cams tend to crash more often - and record it for everyone else's amusement? :D

I crash often as it is, Thats what Im hoping to get on tape.

So i saw this on Amazon a few days ago. Any truth to this because if there is I'll be pre-ordering today .
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CQVJ52/qid=1134087582/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl65/103-4062492-7083000?v=glance&s=software&n=507846

Not sure of a release date of course but at least there saying you can pre-order now  ;D 

Obviously if they are saying you can preorder it, you can. As for the release date...I think that's a marketing ploy on their part. As far as I know it's still scheduled for March release.

Mike - Is the folder setup in the directory going to be basically the same as MCM2 ? Also will MVA take .env like MCM2 ? Would be great so we can play some classics on MVA, but i doubt it  :-\

just hope all that is said is true...and my puter dont croak before then.. ;D

Welcome Shreddie...

ello jimmy and james :)  good to see you guys again :)

good to see ya mister

Hey again guys, don't worry about getting donaters, they'll come.

I'm an admin over at Hostile-Minds.com and people pay to be in our counter-strike source clan.

Good to see everybody back again.

Looks like this thread got high jacked a bit...  Im very stoked about the "new" MCM2  Thats what most of us will call it i think.

Thanks
Dave

i didn't read through to see if anyone posted this but check this link
http://www.mxvsatvcentral.com/

it's from the motocrossmadness2.com guys

nice!

nice!!!!!!!!!!!

the same post a week later??

nice!!!to see you're excited though lol.

lol, but its nice!!!!!!!

ok, we got ya. :P

Well, 1 week without Internet at home...
I'm wondering what's new ?

What about the patch and TD new stuffs ? Any info ?
Thks.

No news on the patch.  The fact that there is a patch effects what we do.  We really can't release much until after the patch.

Bruce

Quote from: DirtTwister on February 10, 2006, 01:43:58 PM
No news on the patch. The fact that there is a patch effects what we do. We really can't release much until after the patch.

Bruce

You could release 'beta' tools... they can allways be updated.

I don't think anyone wants to spend time developing stuff that will only work for a short period of time.  I think it's pretty well known what the bugs are and the missing features people would like to see, now they need to decide what they are going to do about it and ...do it....

I didnt read everything but it looks like i will have to get a new computer soon..

hey punker  :)
long time no see